Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

[Hammerfist]

Since we already got our new "Crystal Tower" (a.k.a. Alexander NM) and we won't be getting any intermediate raids any time soon (given the supposedly very high difficulty of Savage Alexander), wouldn't it be nice to actually give us our first challenging 24-man raid in 3.1?

I mean, let's be serious: the Labyrinth of the Ancients was slightly challenging when it came out back in 2.1 since it required a minimum amount of skill and coordination within the alliance, but the Syrcus Tower and the World of Darkness were complete facerolls, bare from almost any real challenge and quite boring to do after the first few times.

I won't make comparisons with other MMOs (even though I should), but we have the option to create alliances by inviting 3 full parties in-game and what is this option used for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hell, we still don't even have a legit way to queue for a Crystal Tower instance with anything more than a full party. This total lack of large-scale content makes me also wonder what's the point of having a Free Company besides giving you a few buffs and a borderline useless house (always if your FC could even find one available), since we are always forced to play in small static groups or random PUGs anyway.

If you really feel there is a need for even more casual content (as if all the dungeons, trials, hunts, story quests, levequests, guildhests, treasure maps and "raids" weren't enough) then fine, give us at least a Normal/Story Mode and a Hard Mode version doable by a premade alliance (not random PUGs in the DF, at least not at launch) and with some actual challenge and rewards. Be careful though, this is NOT asking for a difficulty or one-shotting mechanics similar to the pre-nerf Binding Coils of Bahamut, as that may be too hard to manage with a 24-man alliance (in a Savage version perhaps?), but a difficulty that is more of a mix between the Labyrinth of the Ancients and the Extreme Primals and mechanics that require strategy development, high performance and strict coordination between all groups.

Thank you for your attention

[Atlaworks]

I'm cool never running LotA again, I'm also cool without running any analogue of it ever again

The raid was fine, but man that part where you had to deal with 23 other randos sucked

[Hyouretsuzan]

Alexander isn't the "Crystal Tower" for 3.0. It's just an added mode for those who wish to see the story and not raid.

[Hammerfist]

Alexander isn't the "Crystal Tower" for 3.0. It's just an added mode for those who wish to see the story and not raid.

A story mode that currently gives you the best gear in the game and has the same weekly lockout Crystal Tower had.

[Lemuria]

If anything, Alexander is closer to coil. It has floors which are like turns, and they tend to be rather short. It's also an 8-man, not a 24-man. It doesn't have the difficulty of coil though. I suspect that's partly because they're releasing a Savage version, and partly because there were relatively few people who enjoyed the difficulty of Coil.

[Kogasan]

I wish Se would get rid of the need to have full party's to do something's aka Alex savage mode and things of the like actually. Because some people can't seem to find statics and therefore can't do them. Before you say well that's what Alex normal is for. I find Alex normal to be to easy and therefore after I beat it the first time haven't gone back since. I want more harder content that I can que in for that I don't need a full party to do so. Please Se don't do what you did with coil and wait till there is better gear then what you can get in Alex savage that comes out on Tuesday to make it so I can que into it solo please.

[ExiaQuanta]

"Serious" 24 man raid?

People couldn't even handle a "serious" 8 man MSQ trial

[Devils_Lawyer]

but a difficulty that is more of a mix between the Labyrinth of the Ancients and the Extreme Primals and mechanics that require strategy development, high performance and strict coordination between all groups.

Id hate to remind you that the previous 24 man raids has had its fair share of issues with people that just stands there, leavers, trolls etc.

Making it more difficult wont stop this, it will only make the raid that much harder for the people that do things properly.

[Hyouretsuzan]

A story mode that currently gives you the best gear in the game and has the same weekly lockout Crystal Tower had.

I'm aware. But that doesn't change the fact that it isn't the 24 man raid content for 3.0. SE never said alexander NM will replace "Crystal Tower" raid.

[Hammerfist]

Id hate to remind you that the previous 24 man raids has had its fair share of issues with people that just stands there, leavers, trolls etc.

Making it more difficult wont stop this, it will only make the raid that much harder for the people that do things properly.

This Hard Mode should supposedly be for premade alliances (either in FCs or party finders), not for random groups in the duty finder.