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"SCHs strengthen people better than ASTs"
Wrong in so many levels. Selene does a 3% buff to Attack Speed. That is a reduction of less than 0.08 seconds on cast and recast timers. Considering a base of 2.5 to any attack skill (which is lowered by skill speed, which also reduces the efficiency of the Attack Speed buff), it means you get 2.42 instead of 2.5; in a minute, it's a difference of 24.8 casts per minute (with Selene) versus 24 casts (without Selene) - that if the buff stayed for a whole minute, but it lasts for 30 seconds, so the numbers are different. You get 12 casts without Selene for the 30s and 12.4 with Selene. You need like 1.5 minutes of the buff being on you (3 minutes) to get an extra cast, which is the whole purpose of getting a haste buff. In some fights, like A1 Savage, where DPS are all over the place, it's really hard to hit the whole party with it, so the extra DPS Selene adds to the party is actually really low. That's why some people are using Eos instead.

Selene = 3% on party guaranteed
arrow = 10% on 1 DPS or 5% on the party, with the same range restrictions you are bashing on selene.

Now after that correction, 5% is only 2% more than selene, but good luck getting expaned arrow or balance every minute. Arrow is a 16,66% draw chance, like every card.

Now, if you consider the Arrow card, which does 10% attack speed for 15s (which can be doubled either with Royal Road or Time Dilation, or raised to 15% with Royal Road), you reduce the cast/recast timers by 0.25 (this can get less efficient if the targets get skill or spell speed). This means that in the 15 seconds, the DPS can use 6/12 skills in 15/30s without the card and 6.7/13.3 skills with the card. Since the Haste buff does very little to DPS like SMN and it scales down when the target already has much speed (NIN and MNK), and some DPS players say it can mess up their rotations (DRG), the uses of the speed buff are very restricted and in some party compositions one extended Arrow card can do more in 30s than Selene can do in 4 minutes.

So the extended arrow card, which you mathed out to be 13.3 instead of 12 skills, can do more than selene in 4 minutes. Interesting.

On top of that, AST can use a damage buff (which is 10%, just like a cross-classed B4B), a TP /MP buff (which can let your BRD/MCH dps more, since they don't need to give up some damage to refresh TP/MP), a CD reduction buff (which can shorten the Ruin gaps for SMN by making them go into Dread Stance more often, or give NIN more ninjutsus) and also make your tanks get hit for less (which allows more breathing room for healers). Saying that a SCH can buff the party just as well is completely wrong and people have got to stop spreading those misconceptions; not only is a dumb (and dishonest) way to bitch about AST, but it can mess up what people think about SCH – some groups may demand Selene over this when it would be better to have Eos out to do more healing and allow the SCH to DPS more, which is more effective than the buff from Selene in so many cases. That's what I meant earlier when I said that people need to get better and learn more about all the healing jobs, not only AST.

No, its not on top of that, its either or, and that is gated behind RNG.
I'll just leave it by that and you go on making 3 post instead of 1 with editing and call everyone dumb and dishonest.