The positive Astrologian thread!

[TatoRazzino]

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This is something I think everyone needs to stop saying, in my opinion. In 2.x, DRG was the outcast that no one wanted in their raidgroups because it didn't add any raid utility and couldn't outdps anyone. Did they "fix" it? No. They made minor changes and addressed the broken parts – there were mechanics that made it impossible to clear because DRGs would die no matter what. That didn't make DRG competitive. Because it doesn't need to be. Raid progression groups, like I've been saying since forever, use 2.x metas, because it's easier and doesn't require any learning curve other than the fight itself. AST doesn't adapt in ANY way to the 2.x meta, and it doesn't have to adapt. It's FINE that there are no A3S clears with AST. There were A1S and A2S first week clears with AST. I daresay 90% of the groups won't get there no matter what you do. You could play Jesus with my group and they won't raise their DPS.

[Assirra]

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Read the OP.
This thread was about posting the things we love about about the astrologian.
This was not about a "civil discussion" you got enough threads for that.
So yea, this thread has converter from "hey let's talk positive to yet another discussion thread and hereby lose it's meaning.

[GideonHighmourn]

Read the OP.

To be fair, the OP kind of went along with the topic change in the last several pages of the thread.

Regardless of what the intended topic was ...

I still really enjoy AST. I played today a bit in the roulettes, and was having a particularly lucky streak with Draw. Kind of made me smile for a bit; it was a nice departure from drawing Ewer/Spire/Spear constantly!

[TatoRazzino]

People don't know the difference between criticism and bashing things with misinformation. People need to play AST better, that's a fact; just look at every thread about the job's flaws and at least half of the complaints will be based on bad examples of cooldown usage or dumb ways to apply the buffs. Most of the other half of the complains will be based on people assuming that AST needs to do something it doesn't, which is replace SCH or WHM in a party to perform the 2.x meta; that's also dumb, since a new job always requires new strategies. If you take that out of criticism, there's almost nothing left for debate. I don't think AST needs a reworking and I don't think it has problems that need immediate fixing; WHM and SCH also have "broken" aspects, like bad traits for example, and they do their job just fine.

[Cynfael]

People don't know the difference between criticism and bashing things with misinformation. People need to play AST better, that's a fact; just look at every thread about the job's flaws and at least half of the complaints will be based on bad examples of cooldown usage or dumb ways to apply the buffs. Most of the other half of the complains will be based on people assuming that AST needs to do something it doesn't, which is replace SCH or WHM in a party to perform the 2.x meta; that's also dumb, since a new job always requires new strategies. If you take that out of criticism, there's almost nothing left for debate. I don't think AST needs a reworking and I don't think it has problems that need immediate fixing; WHM and SCH also have "broken" aspects, like bad traits for example, and they do their job just fine.

It's tough to argue against the math, Tato. I can't credibly claim that my raid group accurately represents most of the other groups out there, but our numbers are consistently higher when I or anyone else plays the SCH/WHM combo than with anything involving AST.

While you may or may not be tempted to throw the "well, the AST players need to get better" line, this experience is hardly unique on the forums. Many of us have been playing for over a year and have cleared every raid that the 2.x series had to offer. I seriously doubt that we collectively have a L2P issue when it comes to this Job. Much more likely that AST just produces less for equivalent effort. That is what I want to see addressed, as I believe that things are more fun with the Jobs in a given role at least have their own niches.

[TatoRazzino]

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Your numbers will always be higher when you play WHM/SCH if you're using the 2.x meta strategies. Those strategies don't exist in the game code, but are emergent patterns of playstyle that come with time. If you apply the same strategies with AST, you won't get the same numbers. That's something true for every video game and it has nothing to do with the AST job. My raid group has been getting worse results in A1 Savage because I'm playing SCH. We can clear Faust, but my WHM healing style does not allow me breathing room to go into Cleric Stance. He's not using the 2.x meta, so the WHM/SCH pairing is hurting the group; with AST I'll be able to back him up more with heals and this will give us both breathing room to DoT. I have cleared everything there is to clear in 2.x with both WHM and SCH and have been playing AST since 3.0 early access.

[Bovinity]

Your numbers will always be higher when you play WHM/SCH if you're using the 2.x meta strategies. Those strategies don't exist in the game code, but are emergent patterns of playstyle that come with time. If you apply the same strategies with AST, you won't get the same numbers. That's something true for every video game and it has nothing to do with the AST job. My raid group has been getting worse results in A1 Savage because I'm playing SCH. We can clear Faust, but my WHM healing style does not allow me breathing room to go into Cleric Stance. He's not using the 2.x meta, so the WHM/SCH pairing is hurting the group; with AST I'll be able to back him up more with heals and this will give us both breathing room to DoT. I have cleared everything there is to clear in 2.x with both WHM and SCH and have been playing AST since 3.0 early access.

Still trying to go with that, "I played poorly on SCH, therefore AST is fine." argument, I see.

[Galadrium]

The Ewer card description was changed when it is applied to the Dark Knight. Anyone know yet what exactly was changed?

[TatoRazzino]

The Ewer card description was changed when it is applied to the Dark Knight. Anyone know yet what exactly was changed?

The Ewer card changed. It's not good on DRK anymore, because that MP draining stance you guys use prevents any MP refreshing.

[Noira]

I got shamed for using Noc stance in A1 normal ._..

Sorry but call me bad call me stubborn IDC but if I'm paired with a whm I will go into noc stance. (and no the WHM did NOT carry I did most of the tank healing while they focused on party and I did the buffing (had to ewer the whm so many times because they kept going out of mana for some odd reason despite rarely any damage occuring, switched to regen stance due to the dps causing too many wipes however.)).

I had to solo heal my first A1 normal because the other healer dc'd at the beginning of the oppressor fight and noc stance was a life saver for topping the party off, I only ran out of mp towards the end when the fight was over.