Tank Swapping Stance

[SarcasmMisser]

I'm going to do some math to correct people who think you can't hold threat from a good DPS without tank stance, because they clearly haven't done the math. I'll use a DRK opener as an example since I have the numbers on hand here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...DDw/edit#gid=0

With the following opener: Unmend (DA), Hard Slash (Carve and Split), Spinning Slash (DA), Power Slash.

The potency of the threat, with enmity modifiers is as follows: 150(x3), 150, 450, 220(x3), 300(x6.5) or a total of 1950 potency.

Divide that into potency of threat per GCD and you have 487.5, now add STR gear and there is no DPS job that can generate more threat than that. The only real threat is the off tank, in particular wars with deliverance openers. But in that case you may as well have them tanking and that would be the most efficient DPS wise.

I just did a test opener with actual damage on a dummy, since it's actual damage that determines threat.

648, 635 (1936), 908, 1354.

Add enmity modifers and you get the following: 1944, 635 (1936), 2724, 8801 for a total of 16040 threat in 4 GCDs. In order to overtake that the DPS has to be doing 2138DPS in the same time period (/7.5 assuming a 2.5 second GCD). So yes, you can pull without tank stance, I think the problem is that people don't realize how big the enmity boost is on your threat combos, your tank stance is only a part of your threat generation.

Also I forgot to add the potency given by using DA, or the fact that by pulling you usually have anywhere between half to a full GCD lead on the other jobs. Also I am not even full slaying, this is with i150 crafted.

[Wobi]

Hahaha you have no idea who I play with. My monk who does 1300 dps in A1 says hi.

So do many of my FC mates and higher, who cares? The majority of tanks cannot pull this off and you know it. You might be able to swap stances after securing hate but many times it's a bad idea.

[MageBlack]

I'm a career WAR tank and I love the new DPS stance. I dont take advantage of it. For the trash, I just stan in Defiance but for the boss, once I have a shit ton of hate and I think the healer can take it, I switch to my Abandon stance and start tearing through stuff, just need to play it smart and have a feel for the group you are in. also have changed all my stat boosts from VIT to STR for my level bonuses and have two gear sets, one for PvE and one for DPS (PvP).

[Ronyx]

So do many of my FC mates and higher, who cares? The majority of tanks cannot pull this off and you know it. You might be able to swap stances after securing hate but many times it's a bad idea.

I think the point is that having a tanker super geared doesnt means much in Sword Oath. A DPS such as monk that can put up tons of damage can easyly take hate of a tank with Shield Oath. The enmity boost of Shield Oath almost secure that you keep the hate at all times and in case you loose it for a while a provoke should help you get it back, but if you remain in Sword Oath you will still keep loosing hate over strong DPS.

[SarcasmMisser]

So do many of my FC mates and higher, who cares? The majority of tanks cannot pull this off and you know it. You might be able to swap stances after securing hate but many times it's a bad idea.

I don't think they do because there is no way you can preform at that level and not know that non-tank stance pulls are viable. Look at my above post, enmity combos alone have enough threat with STR gear.

[Khalithar]

As ever, it depends on the fight. =/

[Daralii]

So since paladins had a DPS stance in 2.0, and warriors got one in 3.0, what's the likelihood dark knights get one in 4.0?

[Khalithar]

So since paladins had a DPS stance in 2.0, and warriors got one in 3.0, what's the likelihood dark knights get one in 4.0?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Drk "dps stance" means clicking off Grit and maintaining the Darkside buff.