Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Adventica6]

Ever wondered that maybe you are the problem? did you read up, watch a video? no? then why are you there? they aren't your teachers.

[Hayward]

I put all this nonsense on two elements: 1) these "Pro" forums that did their damnedest to ruin the FFXI community and are seeking to do so here and 2) the developers pandering to said "Pros" with absurd overlapping mechanics and DPS checks that almost require overgearing and job exclusion to get past.

[LunaHoshino]

I honestly can't understand how people can justify having an attitude that is essentially "Screw the other people in this group, I'm going to do things my way and I don't care if I waste their time by wiping us repeatedly."

This is a social game. There are other people behind those other characters in your party. They have just as much of a right to play the game as you do, and your time is not somehow more important than theirs. It's just basic courtesy to remember that what you do affects those 3/7/23 other players in the instance, so the least you can do is not be a deliberate burden to them.

[SakuraMidori]

First day it's brand new... two weeks in, it's starting to collect dust. It's still new, but not brand new.

Yea you see i just can't understand that way of thinking {two weeks in, it's starting to collect dust} says who? oh i'm sorry that some ppl feel that way and the ones that do need to stay in PF so they can run with others who feel after 2 weeks something is old but in DF you know full well that it may be others first time so wipes will happ people need to deal with it. Since at the end of the day it should not be about what your ilvl is but how much fun your having

[Miitan]

It's because the game is actively hostile towards any type of community building.

- Every piece of non-faceroll content is designed for 8 people only and actively discourages any kind of FC involvement.
- DF means you can be a dick and never suffer any consequences.
- The structure of nearly every boss fight is just one endlessly repeated script where a single mistake is enough to cause a wipe.

In FFXI if you were a dick, you weren't getting any content done. Almost everything could be done with as many or few players as you could muster. Bosses could pull any of their abilities out at any time and even the worst situation could be pulled back from the brink.

Welcome to a clash of humanities natural instincts and design decisions that bring out the worst in people.

[Alunari]

We have 2 excellent video guide makers.

MTQCapture and MrHappy.

MTQCapture's videos are quick and to the point, may miss some things.

MrHappy's videos are generally long and detailed, as detailed as any explanation can be.

There is really no excuse to go in expecting to be told mechanics. Why hold the group up when you can watch a video like MrHappy's over and over until you have a decent understanding of what you can get without experience?

I always watch the videos by both, they are very good at giving you an idea of the fight, however watching and doing are two different things.

It does make it easier going in with an idea of the fights and what will happen, but it doesn't mean that you are going to be step perfect, videos can help immensely, but nothing beats getting into the fight and putting what you've learnt in the videos into practice ... and it does still take practice.

[SakuraMidori]

It's because the game is actively hostile towards any type of community building. .

Yes but nothing needs to be this way if ppl just relax and understand they can get what they need done and nothing is impossible. Back when id play monster hunter 1 on the lol ps2 ppl deal with much harder bosses and team work was the norm sad that ppl don't understand team work very well anymore. I mean look at steps of faith ppl had no team work at all to the point SE had to nerf it :P sad https://youtu.be/TH7M2bXLg1E This was not the full fight but shows how team work is a need

[Elazu]

'Elitist' must be the most overused buzzword of 2015.

[Sapphic]

If you're running DF, you're rollin' the die there.
Ensemble a PF and you should have better luck.
Stop tryna make people watch videos and sh!t if they don't wanna.

Thing is, you end up rolling the die with PF parties also. Learning parties? Good chance will still get people going in expecting a one-shot, even though it explicitly says "Learning party". Then the opposite, kill/farm parties, you get people joining expecting to be taught or carried.

[Ashkendor]

Yea you see i just can't understand that way of thinking {two weeks in, it's starting to collect dust} says who? oh i'm sorry that some ppl feel that way and the ones that do need to stay in PF so they can run with others who feel after 2 weeks something is old but in DF you know full well that it may be others first time so wipes will happ people need to deal with it. Since at the end of the day it should not be about what your ilvl is but how much fun your having

Call me crazy, but I don't think wiping repeatedly because of people that don't want to learn mechanics is fun at all no matter what your item level is. Don't get me wrong; I don't mind explaining mechanics. When I queue for Alexander in Duty Finder, I understand that more often than not we will have to explain them, and there may be wipes. However, there have been several people in here that have said they explicitly don't want explanations; one that said he goes as far as to turn off the chat box to avoid "mechanics spoilers". I certainly don't go into DF expecting a pro team, but I do go in there expecting to be able to finish the content. Why queue otherwise? Someone that refuses to even interact with the party on a basic level is going to end up getting the boot in favor of a player that's actually interested in playing socially. If you want a 100% pro party, yes you absolutely should be hitting up PF. By the same token, if you want a 100% blind experience, you should also be hitting up PF. Throwing yourself into Duty Finder with an utter refusal to do anything but learn by trial and error shows that you are completely unconcerned with the other seven people, their time, and how they'd like to play the game.