War MT?

[Faytte]

As a paladin, if SE keeps up with magic damage--then no Paladins wont remain as MT's. They 'give up' lots of damage for mitigation(20% or so behind in single target, and laughable aoe), but those extra mitigators are largely anti physical - i.e sheltron, your shield and bulwark.

Awarness and Conva are both shared, even if paladins get better versions.

That reduces Paladins to what..hallowed?

Paladins are in a strange spot at the moment, where they are great if its physical, and the worst if its magical. That be fine if you know..there damage matched other tanks, and if the only busters we have seen in alexander were not magical.

[Ryahask]

As a paladin, if SE keeps up with magic damage--then no Paladins wont remain as MT's. They 'give up' lots of damage for mitigation(20% or so behind in single target, and laughable aoe), but those extra mitigators are largely anti physical - i.e sheltron, your shield and bulwark.

Awarness and Conva are both shared, even if paladins get better versions.

That reduces Paladins to what..hallowed?

Paladins are in a strange spot at the moment, where they are great if its physical, and the worst if its magical. That be fine if you know..there damage matched other tanks, and if the only busters we have seen in alexander were not magical.

To start with most magic heavy fights still do have physical damage, only a few exceptions to this. Even ignoring this however - PLD still has amazing mitigation tools against magical damage. Rampart and Sentinel are the two best tank CDs in the game, as you said - you get an enhanced version of Convalescence (excluding Awareness due to being conditional utility), Divine Veil, Clemency, Stoneskin, and Foresight. These are all useful CDs against magical damage. This isn't even mentioning Hallowed ground, which has incomparable utility that neither of the other two tanks comes even close to matching.

PLD is still tied with DRK as the best magical tank. I don't know where this common misconception of the forums is stemming from. Yes, DRK has certain magical mitigation tools, but ultimately their personal mitigation tools (Cannot be applied as OT) are roughly comparable with PLD when it comes to magical tank. The only improvement they have over PLD is Darkmind and PLD has plenty of other tools that end up evening the scales.

If you disagree I'd welcome a clear explanation of precisely why PLD is supposedly the worst magical tank because I simply don't see it. PLD is the brick wall of tanks, as it always has been.

[Reynhart]

But Dark Mind is a huge improvement.
You can use one with either Shadow Wall or Shadow Skin to almost double the damage mitigation (With Dark Arts).

On A4, where parry or block is useless as MT, PLD lose a lot of mitigation tool.

[Launched]

PLD is still tied with DRK as the best magical tank.

But that's WAR's spot, considering it has IB for every single tankbuster along with relatively short cooldowns.

[Reynhart]

But that's WAR's spot, considering it has IB for every single tankbuster along with relatively short cooldowns.

That would be true, if tankbusters were more frequent.
As it is now, every tank can put at least a 20% mitigation for every tankbuster.

[CuddlyRyuu]

It depends by what you like to do. I always loved my PLD better than WAR and simply because doing damage as a TANK isn't my thing. I started the game as a WAR for a few months, swapped to PLD once I got it to 50 and never got back to WAR. Even with the "ZOMG WAR DAMAGE IS OFF THE CHART" kind of talk for heavensward and witnessing it, I wouldn't pick them over my PLD. As for DRK, better wait for them to have some tweaks before trying them, I quickly abandonned it after reaching 60 as DRK.

[QuinX]

Healer being the easiest job to play in FFXIV, I really don't get why random tanks are still babysitting their healers.

Stop it already.

some1 slap him, this is insult to all (raid) healers

[Hundred]

Better with magical how.
What other CD's.
The options as a PLD are Rampart (90s), Sentinel (180s), HG (forever).
Bulwark,Shelltron, the shield in general , Parry in general , Foresight = Irrelevant.

As a PLD there is 3 relevant cooldowns against magical
As a Drk you have
Drk mind (60s), Shadow skin (90s), Shadow skin (180s), Living Dead (5 min), 20% evade on magical dungeon mobs with DD. There's Int down on top of it all.
4 CD's to 3. Sentinel is 10% more then Shadowskin. They're absolutely not equal at magical coverage.
It doesn't invalidate PLD given they have a clear physical advantage and there is plenty of physical content.

[Ketsuyame]

This "tank dps" shit has got to stop. It's pure nonsense. To the OP you have the right idea. Save the dpsing for the dps. A tank needs to tank. The WAR infatuation since 3.0 has been nothing short of a nightmare. Sure, their dps is great but at what expense when being MT? Full right side of STR acc with minimal oCD's? And to add insult to injury, so many WAR's have been staying in deliverance stance just to DPS.. This has been a nightmare for healers.

OP- Just read the WAR enthusiasts posts; this is what you hear: "WAR does 8xx dps. WAR out dps this class or that class. Fell cleave this". And so on.

You jokers can fool yourselves all you want. Show me a static, a successful static that uses WAR as MT. Lucrezia and Elysium just cleared A1 savage. You can bet your ass they didn't go 2x WAR. PLD bar none has and shall remain the de facto MT due to it being the epitome of a damage mitigating turtle. PHYSICAL or MAGIC. It's defensive cooldowns are bar none the best in the game. And I love WAR. They're awesome. But the writing is on the wall; so many ppl are flocking to WAR due to its sheer numbers, they're forgetting how to TANK.

**PSA: people stop with the "PLD'S magic mitigation is lacking" tripe. Because guess who was MT in T10, T11, T12 with all of those magical attacks? Especially against Phoenix. 70% of phoenix's attacks were magic. And lets talk Ramuh.. 100% magic Primal.

[SirTaint]

. You can bet your ass they didn't go 2x WAR.
**PSA: people stop with the "PLD'S magic mitigation is lacking" tripe. Because guess who was MT in T10, T11, T12 with all of those magical attacks? Especially against Phoenix. 70% of phoenix's attacks were magic. And lets talk Ramuh.. 100% magic Primal.

Jokes on you then lol. They used 2 WARs to clear because of the DPS advantage. Its right on their website. https://twitter.com/lucrezia_alex

Also wtf was magic in T12? Pinions?

PLD was fucking aweful in Ramuh, everyone knew to solo tank with a WAR or bring 2 WARs. Could you clear with a PLD sure, but it wasn't close to ideal.

I've been a PLD MT since 2.1, it was excellent up until 3.X.