War MT?

[Yorumi]

You act like "keeping everyone alive" is something special. It really isn't. It's akin to saying DPS doing damage or tanks holding hate are huge responsibilities. Ideally they are all just a given.

I just replied to a person claiming healing is the easiest job in ff14 which is total ignorant BS. That person hasn't even played a damn healer. Far too many tanks are blaming healers for their own crappy tanking.

Yeah healing isn't rocket science but given the crappy way I've witnessed a lot of tanks play and then blame the healer. They couldn't handle half of what a healer has to do in a fight and they sit there arrogantly whining about healers. Seriously tanks need to play healers in high level content to see what we have to deal with even in "easy" dungeons.

I don't believe any role is more important, but if this forum is any indication tanks sure as hell think they're god's gift to ff14 and all the lesser people should feel blessed to be in their presence. Just look at the person I replied to initially, look at the utter contempt for healers in the post.

[Nabian]

Sooo much misinformation in this post....it's sad.

[Fulgur]

Can a WAR main tank? Absolutely, so long as you remember you're a tank and not a dps.

[BlackenedTiamat]

I was referring to SirTaint about my previous comment.

[Gildarts]

^ and why is that? explain

[Aerya]

So... We have in this thread "LOL You need to use your DPS stance all the time or you're a noob tank, healing you is easy anyway".

And in the next thread, we have "Tanks playing in DPS stance are a pain in the a** to heal and should learn how to play"...

I wondered why we bother ourselves with tanks or healers roles, we should all play DPS, because with a huge DPS we can clear any content before dying...

[Kyros]

WAR can MT everything. In fact, WAR is the better Main Tank for a vast majority of content. It shinned as a MT in coils and from the looks of it Alex will be no exception.

The reason, however, that people Picked PLD as a MT in raids was not because it was a better MT, but because PLD was a horrible OT. Having a Good MT and a Great OT is better than having a Great MT and a Terrible OT. Anyone who think it was because PLD had more mitigation (Spoilers: It did not) needs to get slapped by a math book.

This is now more or less fixed in HW, with PLD's OT capabilities having been boosted. Sadly, our OT capabilities got boosted even more. So Right now, you can easily be the better MT or OT in most raids, but the same can't be said for the other 2 Tanks. DRK is more suited for MT whereas PLD can safely move in either spot now, but both will TP starve in minutes. And Both are also kinda clunky as far as Stance-dancing goes.

So yes, you can MT all you want and probably do a better job, but your co-tank will suffer unless he too is a WAR. In short, WAR is awesome. And we OT not because the others are better MT's, but because we are just better everywhere

[Giantbane]

It's not so much that WAR can't MT, they can very effectively. It's just that they're so good as an OT.

[Faytte]

As a paladin, if SE keeps up with magic damage--then no Paladins wont remain as MT's. They 'give up' lots of damage for mitigation(20% or so behind in single target, and laughable aoe), but those extra mitigators are largely anti physical - i.e sheltron, your shield and bulwark.

Awarness and Conva are both shared, even if paladins get better versions.

That reduces Paladins to what..hallowed?

Paladins are in a strange spot at the moment, where they are great if its physical, and the worst if its magical. That be fine if you know..there damage matched other tanks, and if the only busters we have seen in alexander were not magical.

[Ryahask]

As a paladin, if SE keeps up with magic damage--then no Paladins wont remain as MT's. They 'give up' lots of damage for mitigation(20% or so behind in single target, and laughable aoe), but those extra mitigators are largely anti physical - i.e sheltron, your shield and bulwark.

Awarness and Conva are both shared, even if paladins get better versions.

That reduces Paladins to what..hallowed?

Paladins are in a strange spot at the moment, where they are great if its physical, and the worst if its magical. That be fine if you know..there damage matched other tanks, and if the only busters we have seen in alexander were not magical.

To start with most magic heavy fights still do have physical damage, only a few exceptions to this. Even ignoring this however - PLD still has amazing mitigation tools against magical damage. Rampart and Sentinel are the two best tank CDs in the game, as you said - you get an enhanced version of Convalescence (excluding Awareness due to being conditional utility), Divine Veil, Clemency, Stoneskin, and Foresight. These are all useful CDs against magical damage. This isn't even mentioning Hallowed ground, which has incomparable utility that neither of the other two tanks comes even close to matching.

PLD is still tied with DRK as the best magical tank. I don't know where this common misconception of the forums is stemming from. Yes, DRK has certain magical mitigation tools, but ultimately their personal mitigation tools (Cannot be applied as OT) are roughly comparable with PLD when it comes to magical tank. The only improvement they have over PLD is Darkmind and PLD has plenty of other tools that end up evening the scales.

If you disagree I'd welcome a clear explanation of precisely why PLD is supposedly the worst magical tank because I simply don't see it. PLD is the brick wall of tanks, as it always has been.