Strength Tanks and You.

[Ferrasper]

In other games you may be correct. When it comes to 14 you're wrong. A tanks job is to not only hold aggro and mitigate damage, but to also help push as much DPS as possible since it is another form of mitigation. The faster something dies the less damage it can do to players.

Eh, I go by what a tank's original design was for MMOs, so I still don't understand the need for it. I still think that should be the dps's main focus and not the tanks. Otherwise, it will lead to tanks wanting to do the same amount of damage as dps while still tanking. They are roles for a reason.

Like I said, I don't expect a lot of people to see it that way. It's just how I see things. /shrug

[Mhikail]

-Comes and drinks juice lookin' at everyone and each other necks on a Saturday Night.;

[Eej]

I'll be honest here. In my mind, a tanks job is just to tank. His job is to yell at the enemy and say "Hey attack me!". It's the dps job to do the killing. If a tank wants to dps that badly, he should have rolled a dps class then. May seem archaic to some, but it's just how I see things.

T12 and T13, pre-echo and before everyone was decked out in ilvl 130 gear, having your tanks and healers do as much DPS as they could made the fights go significantly better (4 bennus, only 2 flattens in phase 1, etc.). So no, everyone should be doing as much DPS as they can.

[Fiaryn]

I'll be honest here. In my mind, a tanks job is just to tank. His job is to yell at the enemy and say "Hey attack me!". It's the dps job to do the killing. If a tank wants to dps that badly, he should have rolled a dps class then. May seem archaic to some, but it's just how I see things.

A fairly quick and simple explanation of why this thinking is backwards and objectively incorrect.

You're playing a Dark Knight. One Dark Arts boosted Power Slash is generally enough to hold threat for the entire fight if you're equivalently geared to the rest of your party.

What, precisely, are you doing with the rest of the fight then? Because if it's not "optimizing your damage while rotating cooldowns appropriately", you're a bad Dark Knight and you're wasting everyone's time.

Edit: A tank that's actually doing good DPS can be worth as much as 70% of another DPS class, to give you an idea how much this can bring to the table.

[Ferrasper]

A fairly quick and simple explanation of why this thinking is backwards and objectively incorrect.

You're playing a Dark Knight. One Dark Arts boosted Power Slash is generally enough to hold threat for the entire fight if you're equivalently geared to the rest of your party.

What, precisely, are you doing with the rest of the fight then? Because if it's not "optimizing your damage while rotating cooldowns appropriately", you're a bad Dark Knight and you're wasting everyone's time.

Edit: A tank that's actually doing good DPS can be worth as much as 70% of another DPS class, to give you an idea how much this can bring to the table.

My response would then be SE didn't design the fight appropriately to the point where you have to focus just on hate management, or they lower the amount you make. I don't want to diverge this topic much anymore though from its original goal. I just wanted to state my peace, and that was it.

For your edit, a tank shouldn't be doing that much dmg. Increase the dps for dps classes then if that push is needed.

[Dhex]

>>Can't share parses or admit to parsing on official forums and thus neither group can provide any definitive information, research, or facts.
>>Continue to argue anecdotal information.



>>Yoshi-P: laughing maniacally
>>Me: intense snickering

[Fiaryn]

My response would then be SE didn't design the fight appropriately to the point where you have to focus just on hate management, or they lower the amount you make. I don't want to diverge this topic much anymore though from its original goal. I just wanted to state my peace, and that was it.

For your edit, a tank shouldn't be doing that much dmg. Increase the dps for dps classes then if that push is needed.

"Shouldn't" does not mean anything. What we are describing is the paradigm that has existed since 2.0 launched. It's a feature, not a bug. Opinions do not change the functions of classes.

The statements of the dev team regarding actively designing around the expectation of healer DPS in Heavensward suggest that this trend is not going anywhere.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Its much easier to be a tank when your actually a threat to the mob.

Honestly, its a tanks job to hold aggro. Doesn't matter who.

[KaedrianLiang]

i dropped millions of gil on crafted tank accessories with str melds, having both vit and str is a luxury, and it keeps the healers happier than just vit alone. /flex

WHM is my first to 60, during the journey, went into Vault with a poetics str accessories tank AND poetics armor slots. he only had 7k hp. Level 56 common (white text) gear has +30% more defense than full i130 poetics, level 58 common gear has an additional +30% defense over level 56 common gear. Needless to say, i rarely added dps because his health was going up and down like the stock exchange. Bosses in vault have special attacks that hit for 3.5k and they frequency use them back to back.

[Ronyx]

But this is on the same level as those ''Did you die'' healers....the ones who would rather DPS then heal. So our community suffers from ''different playstyle'' healers as well. I hate having to POP Rampart..Then a Sentinel just because my Astro thought it would be a good idea to DPS or the SCH is letting Eos take the wheel in AF2 ....
So this goes both ways ... I never bash the full community of healers, but those imbeciles know who they are

Haha well I recently changed my Vit stats point to Str because now those 35 Vit are just 717 HP. Back in Lv50 yah that could be a difference but not now at Lv60 when you can have over 16k HP. Now about accessories there should be a balance or use Slaying or Fending acc overmelded, but having ALL slaying acc for Raids hmm its might be pushing it too hard, for normla dungeons its ok. Oh and about healer SHOULD ONLY heal in raid such as Alexander... SE took their accuracy so that they dont do such, so please dont waste time, MP trying to DPS something you most likely MISS, for normal dungeons do it if you like.