Strength Tanks and You.

[Greven]

We use strength gear while leveling so that the content that we have to do on our lonesome (daily hunts, msq, side quests, etc) doesn't take 3 years while we stand there beating the mob with a wet noodle.

I don't see any reason to spend extra money on a vitality set when I'm just going to outlevel it anyway.

The problem is not you using your STR gear for your things, I do the same. It's the general idea STR > VIT that's spreading out and making the average healing with pugs a nightmare!

[Twilite]

I've been going half and half(VIT/STR) on my WAR because none of you can make your minds up. Think about the people taking up the tanking job, you could be confusing them.

[Eye_Gore]

I've been going half and half(VIT/STR) on my WAR because none of you can make your minds up. Think about the people taking up the tanking job, you could be confusing them.

You could make up your own mind. Besides it really doesn't matter anyways, its like arguing which came first, the chicken or the egg.

[Catwho]

I think it really is tanks not knowing how to play their jobs and still joining on the all STR bandwagon, which just makes it more apparent.

I was healing Neverreap on SCH and a DRK pulled the entire first island. Cool right? Cool. Normally SCH and DRK are best friends, especially at lower levels where they are the two most OP jobs in the game.

This tank didn't pop a single cooldown. I'm not as familiar with DRK icons but as a healer I'm used to staring at a tank's status bar, and if more little icons aren't appearing next to your name after you just pulled six mobs, we have a problem. My Eye for an Eye isn't enough to save you and I only get three Lustrates for most pulls... Emergency Tactics is once a minute and takes a tick longer to cast, to boot.

It's more obvious with all the new DRKs running around, but freshly minted WARs are starting to pop up as a problem too.

[Eisenhower]

I think it really is tanks not knowing how to play their jobs and still joining on the all STR bandwagon, which just makes it more apparent.

This right here. Doesn't matter if a tank rolls in vitality, strength or piety for that matter. If the tank plays like shit nothing short of invincibility will save 'em. Even with invincibility it probably just spills over unto the rest of the party.

[Domira]

Tanks should get a passive that converts a % of vitality to strength. Despite what some people in this thread think, str is a very good stat for tanks.

[MirielleLavandre]

I think there isn't a right or wrong - I've healed STR DRKs who knew how to tank and did fine pulling more than 2 sets in Neverreap. I've also healed VIT DRKs who never used grit or darkside and almost die to a pack of 3 while never using cooldowns. I think the main thing is experience -- if you have experience being a good tank, it doesn't matter what you wear // at that point it is personal preference for however you like to play. If you're a new tank, I highly recommend VIT until you're at least proficient enough to know how and when to swap to a dps stance and maximize STR gear. The problem is people new to tanking trying to tank like those who have been tanking FF14 for years, and trying to gear like those experienced tanks, as well.

[SQBoard]

I think there isn't a right or wrong - I've healed STR DRKs who knew how to tank and did fine pulling more than 2 sets in Neverreap. I've also healed VIT DRKs who never used grit or darkside and almost die to a pack of 3 while never using cooldowns. I think the main thing is experience

It may not be right or wrong but there is a difference between dps mode and tank mode.

I was on my sch on a vault run with a war and he started with str and deliverance. I've healed war on that run before and i notice i had to pay more attention on this tank than others. After the first few trash pulls, something happened and i struggled to keep him up. After that, he went to tank mode (defiance and stuff) and then i found i could afford more attention to the rest of the team.

Same player, same character on the same run and i saw a very noticeable difference between tank mode and dps mode.

As far as i'm concerned, people can debate this till 4.0 but at least don't make it sound like there's no difference between them. This game has a strict trinity scheme, if people are not adhering to their specific roles, then be sure the rest of the team is affected.

It may not mean a wipe, but someone's job is harder because of it. Albeit tanks only interested in dps'ing or dps trying to be tanks and pulling or healers not healing as they should. Whatever the role, it affects the rest of the team.

Now i know the devs want players to have a choice in modes, that's why they put stance dancing as a thing now for everyone. That's why healers have cleric stance, tanks have equivalent to shield oath/sword oath and range dps have wm/gb. The devs want people to stance dance to make the job more interesting i guess. But there is a time and place for those stances just as a healer shouldn't be in cleric stance all the time, there's a place for tanks to dps (OT) or content they're obnoxiously overgeared for.

But if you're the only tank or mt and you're not in tank mode, know there is a difference. If there isn't, then there's no point in the two modes. If your teammates don't say anything, doesn't mean they don't notice. (Unless they're not very perceptive)





*(no, this forum alt is not my main)

[Zfz]

Extra HP is like pre-paid HP charged from overheals. Extra HP minimize overheals. Extra HP is not useless. It's not just more wriggle room, it makes healer heals more efficient.

VIT vs STR:

• Incoming damage is the same.
• Required healing is the same.
• VIT has more HP, therefore less overheal.
• STR has less HP, therefore more overheal.

It's funny how the STR supporters keep saying it makes healers heal more, always assuming that wearing STR your healer is always "good" keeping you up perfectly fine, and wearing VIT your healer is always "bad" wanting to top you off wasting GCDs.

Extra HP = less overheal = more bang for healer MP.

[Anjirusensei]

As a healer, I prefer to heal a tank that's pure strength and wanting to dps. A tank controls the flow, if he can't dps hard he may lose aggro and thus the dps may have to slow down... all that massive amount of HP is only sponge. Now, it depends though. If I see a tank that's undergeared, tries to do a mass pull in said gear and complains about healing because he's not doing his part right, then yeah there is a problem lol.

It keeps me on my toes because I get to pay more attention while doing damage myself too.