Boring Endgame

[NeaturalBomber]

Clearly if you don't think there is enough content to tie you over till next patch your kidding yourself
Here are some things to do to
1. Crafting this will take you a month maybe longer depending on how long you do it for
2. Hunts gear upgrades
3. Lvling multi roles to be flexible with content
4. FC airship
5. Triple triad card collection
Just in these 5 ideas will take you a good few months without a job in real life
Stop crying and experience all aspects the game has to offer they have done plenty to keep you going till there is anoither patch release

[BlaiseArath]

Clearly if you don't think there is enough content to tie you over till next patch your kidding yourself
Here are some things to do to
1. Crafting this will take you a month maybe longer depending on how long you do it for

I truly am sorry if I come as off salty here, I try not too but it doesn't help sometimes I'm not trying to call you out at any point so try not to take offense... if you do, I understand, but I'm more upset with SE not learning than I am people enjoying XIV. You're free to love XIV, just as I am free to be disappointed in it. its like a Parent who loves their kid but is sad they became a stripper. I don't hate XIV, I still love it, I'm just disappointed in the direction its going. Make sense? Okay, okay. Moving one.

I leveled my craft to 60, working on two more... but to what purpose? For the Worthless achievement points? SE already said crafted gear won't be nearly as good as it was in 2.0 to not overshadow raid gear... So level crafts to... craft useless junk armor? Its not your fault the armor is going to be sub par, its SE's, I don't understand their logic in making crafting useless outside of ... I guess... Airship parts and furniture?

2. Hunts gear upgrades

This is more of a case of "Forced to do it" rather than "Want to do it" for almost everyone... and its not because I don't like the idea of killing NMs, NM hunting is hands down my favorite idea and concept in the game, its just the Hunt system is one of the most poorly implemented things in XIV right now, and they haven't improve it one bit. Everyone hates Hunts, almost universally. The daily/Weekly ones you get from the board can be a nice distraction, good exp, and decent gil, I really like what they did with those... but the A and S are universally referred to as the sh*ttiest thing about FFXIV. I think to clarify what I'm saying here is the idea is good and it should be improved upon, not copy and pasted from 2.0 with no changes aside from now every zone has TWO!

3. Lvling multi roles to be flexible with content

Leveling isn't content. But I like that we've come full circle and people are saying exactly what they said when this discussion came up in 2.0...

4. FC airship

I've done this... let me tell you how it works. The entirety of it is literally, you get 4 people in your basement and one person clicks "Yes" on a menu only he can see. Then you wait like 4 days for it to return on its own with a handful of crafting materials you can sell for about 20 gil a pop. Until we can actually fly the Airships and do content with them outside of "Click yes to win"... They're not worth bringing up. They're essentially gil-sink retainer ventures right now. Workshop looks cool though.

5. Triple triad card collection

I kinda agree here, I actually love Triple Triad, or I did before XIV ruined it. I understand removing the "Pick one" when you win rule as it would make collecting too easy... but with Random, Roulette, card restrictions that NPCs don't have to follow, the game goes from my favorite side game in a Main series Final Fantasy... too an unfair unbalanced, arbitrarily restricting RNG crap fest of a game. Not even the soothing awesome melody of "Shuffle and Boogie" can help me forget that "Random" is a rule that in its entirely reduces TT from a game of strategy to a game of dumb luck.

And the thing is, The problem is content shouldn't be only about "How long will it take?". People here aren't so much upset that the content isn't long enough, its that its just... boring, a repeat of everything we already had to do in 2.0.. Think about it, half the things you named were the exact same things we were doing in 2.0 to pass the time, is it not at all sinking in that this is exactly what the complaints are about? Yes, we have this wonderful expansion, but two weeks in and everything is exactly the same as it was in 2.0+. Hunts for upgrades, Dungeons for Base armor, Raids for high end armor. Its the same thing over and over. Thats the complaints people have here.

I do log in to do some of the things you mentioned, I got goldsmith to 60 because nothing else felt fun... then I started up Miner again (its 57), and its nice too, but to what ends are these?

Also you forgot Treasure Maps, though I don't blame you, most people forget they exist too lol... Those are fun too, I just wish they had more variety... like maybe occasionally a Map will spawn a harder "NM" Enemy, that will make the end chest yield better loot, or simply more of the rare loot. Would be really fun popping a chest to see a Named-Boss mob spawn instead of "Territorial (X)".

You are complaining already? We haven't even got 3.1 isnt it a quick to judge? Stop playing so god damm much.

Check another "Stop playing the game and it wont be boring!".

[ExponentialDecay]

FFXIV is fine. I am so glad I don't feel obligated to log in every day. The last thing I want is a game I enjoy to become a second job where every second I'm not logged in doing Content is detrimental to me.

And the thing is, The problem is content shouldn't be only about "How long will it take?". People here aren't so much upset that the content isn't long enough, its that its just... boring, a repeat of everything we already had to do in 2.0..

LOL, no, people in here are complaining about that exactly. That there isn't """"enough"""" to do. That is explicitly a complain about time to completion. They are literally complaining that they only log in for raids, and do nothing else, and that there aren't enough raids for them to do(that they don't need to spend as much time doing raids). Or they complain about the time required to hit level cap(not enough time spent leveling).

[Cinicus]

Maybe in this theme park of a wonderful game we could just get some horizontal progression??? Just maybe that would spice up EG...? Allow the players to have 2-3+ options for EG style play and builds....man that would be awesome!!!!

[BlaiseArath]

I'm genuinely sad to say I can't honestly tell if you're being facetious or not :I

[NeaturalBomber]

Blaise I did enjoy your reply XD . But I do like what they have done with the gathering and crafting side I actually enjoy crafting now do to the amount of options you have

I agree they need to change things but they can't just drop everything and start from scratch to keep everyone happy . They are slowly making things different starting of with the crafting and gathering with script hand ins and a variety of ways to lvl up
I assume things will change over time don't jump to conclusions and say there creativity is terrible like a copy paste for a school project
Making a large scale upgrade in minimal time so players don't whine wouldn't be a easy task
Raids and primals will get ajusted over time to keep players interested hopefully soon but we can't expect elitist to cope with the lack of endgame raid content when they probley live in there mums basement no job and live on a video game

[ckc22]

I beat all of the coils (t1-t13) before they got nerfed and will probably end up finishing alex savage before nerfing as well.. anyways it dawned on me and a few friends the other night..

endgame in 14 is pretty boring.
wish SE would have spiced it up with HW.

But .. seems like more of the same from 2.x..

would be nice to have something challenging to do.
Current game is like
1. grind tomes
2. learn raid
3. get weekly loot
4. grind hunts
5. repeat.
thats it..
on top of that, there isnt much uniqueness about the loot.
do something please SE

Do something besides raid?

[Kaedan]

I see a whole lot of whining and complaining and absolutely no suggestions on what SE do instead.

Seriously, if you're going to ***** and moan, at least say what you want. Because right now, you sound like little people who don't actually know what they want.

[Zabuza]

I see a whole lot of whining and complaining and absolutely no suggestions on what SE do instead.

Seriously, if you're going to ***** and moan, at least say what you want. Because right now, you sound like little people who don't actually know what they want.

They don't know what they want. Not at all. The same syndrome with people who cried for years they wanted innovation in the MMO genre, and then showed no interest in MMORPGs that tried to innovate. The devs know the safe cut and dry method is the way to go.

The best part is these devs come out with content faster than pretty much any other MMO's dev team and the complaints are still rabid. People are just insatiable.

I suppose the one thing they could do is make content that is fun to repeat over and over. I know when I used to PvP in MMOs I'd have fun playing even the same three battlegrounds over and over because the way enemy players fight is unique every time, so PvP is content that doesn't lose its fun factor. If they improved the PvP as much as they could, that may help.

As far as PvE content goes? I have no friggin clue man. Fighting scripted mobs is only fun for so long, no matter how difficult those mobs are. They just can't be designed fast enough to satisfy the content gluttons. This isn't a problem of just FFXIV, in fact other MMOs who come out with content slower have it worse. Make no mistake, pretty much EVERY MMO takes longer to come out with content than this game. So at this point these people's complaints are not with the game but with the genre itself. THIS is what a theme park MMO is.

Make the fights too difficult and the casuals complain and moan about the difficulty, and become demoralized and eventually bored. Make it too easy and THIS happens. There really is just no good answer to combat this issue. This black hole of content people claims exists in fact didn't exist in older MMOs because everything took longer to do. They artificially extended your time. Now with the modern MMO's focus on accessibility, devs can't make content fast enough, no matter how good they are at their job, no matter how passionate and hard working they are.

For all you people claiming you want innovation, please, by all means, let's hear your amazing and innovative suggestions that would solve the problems the MMO genre has been plagued with for years.

LOL! I'm not your bro, bro. First of all. Secondly, You're acting like I haven't done the same content as you. I've done it, it was great, it was fun! BUT! There's no replay value! There's no variety. There's nothing else outside of that. THAT makes a boring endgame experience.

PvE encounters intrinsically have no replay value once you figure out the mechanics and how to beat them. This would be no different in any other MMO you play, it's just the nature of PvE...

Only things that extend lasting appeal in PvE type single player games is adding better armor/weapons, collectibles, costumes, and achievements. Interestingly enough, FFXIV has all of this as well.

Most of this thread just screams to me of entitled gamers demanding things having no idea how to make things better or what they are talking about.

[Anty]

I see a whole lot of whining and complaining and absolutely no suggestions on what SE do instead.

Seriously, if you're going to ***** and moan, at least say what you want. Because right now, you sound like little people who don't actually know what they want.

people did give suggesions a lot over the last 2.0 period, A LOT, and many were brilliant, a lot had hundereds of followers on the forum and didnt even get one def. comment.
They have so many good suggestions on the forum already but only answer on "we want a new haircut" threads or "make it easier because i cant faceroll" posts.
I think the community did a good job here, we had some extremely elaborate and good posts. but now its on SE side to deliver but they didn't.
But the good suggestions will get less and less because SE doesn't give a shit about and i feel sorry about the people that had nice ideas and suggestions, many supporters but not one dev reply