Straight to the duty finder.

[NovaWulfe]

Every single person that says this needs to stop. Not everyone has a set schedule they can make time to meet people for a few hours in a game. For example, I do not know from week to week what nights I'll be working, nor do I know where in the state I'll be. I may have the time, but I do not have any way to schedule a set time to have a static. It's simply not possible. I am not the only one with a schedule like this.

You could always do what I did for people in that situation, just set up a raid LFG Linkshell dedicated to finding competent groups on an as-needed basis and helping eachother out. I've found that if you just put up a simple advertisement, these types of LSs fill up EXTREMELY quickly, even on somewhat smaller servers. Still not saying it's easy, but just offering some advice to try and help out.

[Zumi]

SE tested putting harder content in DF at the start with the first 3 EX primals. They found out almost nobody won in random df groups due to lack of cordination and teamwork. So now since then they wait till there is echo and nerfs so there is a much better chance df groups can win.

[Ayanno]

So what exactly is stopping you from making your own PF group for it or asking some friends if they want to run it with you?

The idea that you absolutely need a static to clear hard content is patently false. I know multiple people who PUGed their way through Final Coil without a static. I cleared Final Coil without a static. If you really want to do it, you can make it happen. Saying otherwise is just making excuses.

It's funny, but it seems like every time I see someone put "clear/learning" group up in the PF, or do it myself, it takes ages to actually fill. I also see a lot of folks join these said learning/clear groups and vote abandon/bail out after a couple shots at. Dealing with this for a while trying to get things done just takes the wind out of someones sails, ya know?

To NovaWulfe: That's actually not a bad, idea, may give it a shot.

[ValkyrieL]

Ilvl mean nothing, u can be ilv 300 and u will wipe due to mechanics... When hard content is added to df ...all one shot mechanics are nerf... Think of t7. The complete joke after was added to df.

[Dement]

With the way that loot is being distributed in Savage, it will not work in the DF until the looting rules change and the weekly lockout lifted. Since people can go back and run floors again but the team is penalized in the amount of chests they receive based off of how many repeat players are with them, people could consistently find themselves in a group that will either receive just 1 chest or no chests at the end of the floor. People could go in to practice for the next week and screw their team out of loot should a miracle win actually happen. It'd be hard to lock them out because they're looking for practice just like everyone else is, so it'd be unfair for Person A who hasn't cleared to be able to practice to their hearts content but Person B who may have gotten a clear but still unsure of execution can't enter.

The other options aren't any more appealing either.

You allow people to run as many times as they want but can only get one piece of loot per week. This makes selling runs rampant and promotes RMT.
You could remove the ability to allow people to re-run floors after clearing it but we're back to the first coil days where no one could help their FC out after clearing under any circumstances.
Removing the lockout completely isn't ever going to be an option cause that's the only way SE keeps the hardcore raiders subscribed for longer than a week.

[ckc22]

SE tested putting harder content in DF at the start with the first 3 EX primals. They found out almost nobody won in random df groups due to lack of cordination and teamwork. So now since then they wait till there is echo and nerfs so there is a much better chance df groups can win.

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that most DF groups are at a huge disadvantage with their being no voice chat and half the hardcore content basically requiring it to stand a chance at coordinating.

[StrejdaTom]

The reason is simple. If they put EM primals and hard raids straight into DF, there would be loads of "omg nerf" threads on day 1.
People need to spend some time in PF and learn the stuff, to be actually able to DF anything harder.

T12-13 was pain in the ass even if the half of DF party had it cleared (when they released it to DF).. guess why..

[Niwashi]

People need to spend some time in PF and learn the stuff, to be actually able to DF anything harder.

PF and DF are essentially the same thing except that one can draw from the whole data center and the other only from your local server. I can kind of understand (even if I don't agree with) the people saying only statics can do hard content, but it doesn't really fit to say you need a local PUG to learn it before doing it with a cross-server PUG.

So long as it's a separate DF entry and not part of a Roulette, so that everyone there is there explicitly for that content, your chances of a good random team are as good regardless of which pool you're drawing from to form that team, but it will form quicker if it's data center wide.

[Colorful]

I don't get why everyone here assumes that the majority who use Duty Finder are the most awful players in game, I've been in plenty of Party Finder groups with party members who can't manage anything. Standing in AoEs, poor DPS, don't know the fight at all even though it's clear group, etc. I'd rather take my chances with Duty Finder instead of waiting 20-30 minutes for a Party Finder group to fill up.

Everything but Alexander Savage should be available through DF day one. Don't like it? Use PF, more options are never a bad thing.

[AsteriaStarfall]

The problem with this topic is that once they do that, the next threads will be people complaining they cannot do the current content with a random pug.
The next step will then be either nerfed content within weeks cause of the non stop whine or an LFR esque system which is another can of worms.
The way it is done now that statics/FC's clear the content and when it comes to duty finder they can add stuff like echo or straight up nerf so the rest can kill it.

This pretty much hits the nail right on the head. The casual players when faced with random players and very challenging content, will then cause an uproar that they cannot complete it. In so doing, most developers will then nerf said content, because CONTENT FOR ALL! This is where game developers must choose. Make your game where there are standard encounters everyone gets to enjoy, and then the harder ones that require people to actually coordinate. This is what hurts no one. If you want to complain that you don't have time for a static, or you don't have time to learn the fights, then that particular part of the game is not for you.

For those that follow the main story line, the raids in no way affect your experience in the MSQ, which is a great thing. It adds one dynamic to the game that can reward players for putting more time and effort in, but doesn't detract from those that just want to experience the story. In all the way SE has it, is a healthy blend.