Straight to the duty finder.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

You apparently haven't been paying attention for the past few years. Content that's not open to DF eventually gets released to it. Until that happens, the hardest stuff is groups only because said content requires very precise teamwork and precision and those are elements that the DF always lacks. For every person who keeps saying they don't have time for a static, two more people find a way to work with the limited time they have. Not every piece of content is going to be for casuals and speaking as a casual, I am fine with this. You already have a normal mode of the Alexander raid, which is what people wanted for casual play and is also in the DF.

Get a friend or two, have their friends talk to their friends, and you'll have a group in no time and a group that will be better than some random in a DF.

[GabrielK]

.... For every person who keeps saying they don't have time for a static, two more people find a way to work with the limited time they have. .....

While I don't disagree with you, hard content can't be handled via DF, the "for every one person that doesn't.. there are two who do" is quite optimistic, I'm more inclined to believe most people don't raid the truly hard stuff at all or only slighty dabble/try some PF. (for example Coil, especially the later turns, before any nerf)

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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What I meant to say is for every person who says "Oh I don't got time for a static because of reasons", there's another who will make an attempt to squeeze in some time to raid or find a group who can work with them.


And since you brought up player performance in DF, I didn't forget one of the things Yoshida said in an early live letter was how the Crystal Tower raids were supposed to be a lot harder, but they were toned down because they knew that having a bunch of random players who don't know each other or knew how everyone else played wouldn't go well; sort of like if they had planned the Coils to be open in DF in day one, regardless of difficulty.

[Ayanno]

For every person who keeps saying they don't have time for a static, two more people find a way to work with the limited time they have. .

Every single person that says this needs to stop. Not everyone has a set schedule they can make time to meet people for a few hours in a game. For example, I do not know from week to week what nights I'll be working, nor do I know where in the state I'll be. I may have the time, but I do not have any way to schedule a set time to have a static. It's simply not possible. I am not the only one with a schedule like this.

It seriously irks me when people with statics simply say "Get one! It's easy!" No, sometimes it's not actually that easy.

Not really attacking you, just see this sentiment vomited by a lot of people with statics and it's extremely annoying.

[NovaWulfe]

Every single person that says this needs to stop. Not everyone has a set schedule they can make time to meet people for a few hours in a game. For example, I do not know from week to week what nights I'll be working, nor do I know where in the state I'll be. I may have the time, but I do not have any way to schedule a set time to have a static. It's simply not possible. I am not the only one with a schedule like this.

You could always do what I did for people in that situation, just set up a raid LFG Linkshell dedicated to finding competent groups on an as-needed basis and helping eachother out. I've found that if you just put up a simple advertisement, these types of LSs fill up EXTREMELY quickly, even on somewhat smaller servers. Still not saying it's easy, but just offering some advice to try and help out.

[Mhikail]

Who cares? People on these here forums complain about EVERYTHING.
I still haven't played Bismarck or Ravana because of this.
"MUST CLEARED ALREADY! Know fight! 2 Mistakes and you're out."
DF is a good way to learn stuff and there are chances that you could clear with a group.
If you guys don't wanna do DF then DON'T do it. I actually done a lot of content via DF. This literally hurts no one.
I can't go to static's and as you see PF's want you to already know the fact. Obviously they can't clear it either.

[Assirra]

The problem with this topic is that once they do that, the next threads will be people complaining they cannot do the current content with a random pug.
The next step will then be either nerfed content within weeks cause of the non stop whine or an LFR esque system which is another can of worms.
The way it is done now that statics/FC's clear the content and when it comes to duty finder they can add stuff like echo or straight up nerf so the rest can kill it.

[AsteriaStarfall]

The problem with this topic is that once they do that, the next threads will be people complaining they cannot do the current content with a random pug.
The next step will then be either nerfed content within weeks cause of the non stop whine or an LFR esque system which is another can of worms.
The way it is done now that statics/FC's clear the content and when it comes to duty finder they can add stuff like echo or straight up nerf so the rest can kill it.

This pretty much hits the nail right on the head. The casual players when faced with random players and very challenging content, will then cause an uproar that they cannot complete it. In so doing, most developers will then nerf said content, because CONTENT FOR ALL! This is where game developers must choose. Make your game where there are standard encounters everyone gets to enjoy, and then the harder ones that require people to actually coordinate. This is what hurts no one. If you want to complain that you don't have time for a static, or you don't have time to learn the fights, then that particular part of the game is not for you.

For those that follow the main story line, the raids in no way affect your experience in the MSQ, which is a great thing. It adds one dynamic to the game that can reward players for putting more time and effort in, but doesn't detract from those that just want to experience the story. In all the way SE has it, is a healthy blend.

[Niwashi]

This pretty much hits the nail right on the head. The casual players when faced with random players and very challenging content, will then cause an uproar that they cannot complete it. In so doing, most developers will then nerf said content, because CONTENT FOR ALL! This is where game developers must choose. Make your game where there are standard encounters everyone gets to enjoy, and then the harder ones that require people to actually coordinate. This is what hurts no one.

But none of that has anything to do with whether it's in DF or not. No doubt at some point there will be players who do ask for nerfs, but they'd do that regardless of whether it's in DF. DF is just a way of putting groups together, just like PF is. There's no reason for one to focus on simpler content than the other.

The people queuing for difficult content should expect difficult content, and they should be prepared to need to communicate and coordinate with each other in order to complete it. DF was a lot better when the game was new and people really were talking to each other more in random DF groups because we still needed that. Hopefully, putting some harder content into DF might bring some of that back.

[Assirra]

But none of that has anything to do with whether it's in DF or not. No doubt at some point there will be players who do ask for nerfs, but they'd do that regardless of whether it's in DF. DF is just a way of putting groups together, just like PF is. There's no reason for one to focus on simpler content than the other.

The people queuing for difficult content should expect difficult content, and they should be prepared to need to communicate and coordinate with each other in order to complete it. DF was a lot better when the game was new and people really were talking to each other more in random DF groups because we still needed that. Hopefully, putting some harder content into DF might bring some of that back.

Just so know, but putting all the content is the exact opposite of making people talk.
Everything that evolves around getting randomly grouped is making people talk a lot less because, why should you? You get grouped automatically so so need to ever talk when looking for a group. You will never see these people again unless they happen to be on your world and even then. Hai and bai is usually the best you get.
The only thing putting harder content in DF will gain is whining, both ingame and out game.

Believe it or not, people have been trough this transition before and we know what is on the end.
Nothing but sitting in 1 place, hitting queue, popping in, aoe'ing everything, insult each other a bit for good measure, and leave again all while rolling their face over the keyboard cause stuff dies if you fart in their general direction.