If you want MCH to be support, let us be support.

[Aiselia]

Sniper feels more suited for MCH. Ranger would traditionally be the pick for an archer DPS name.

I picked Sniper for two reasons. The first is that there's precedence for it in FFTA, where Sniper is one of the upgrades for Archer. The second is that if they desperately wanted to keep WM with cast times, Sniper makes sense because they'd have to take time to aim.

Also, since MCH doesn't have a class, it's harder to split-job them because it'd be two completely different jobs.

Edit: Also, IMHO, a better split for MCH would be Gunner, with turrets replaced with various barrels, like maybe one that fires exploding bullets for X potency to all surrounding enemies.

[Nightz_End]

BRD/MCH could definitely use some beefier support skills. I feel like the most support I offer as a MCH is keeping the casters and healers full on MP, and that comes with the sacrifice of additional damage on my part. Having Dismantle/Rend Mind on the same cool down wouldn't bother me so much but for a wimpy 5% debuff? Then you have DRG's who have Battle Litany which crosses me as a skill better suited for BRDs what with the whole music thing. I enjoy playing MCH a lot, but if I'm going to be DPS/Support then my support skills need to more fully justify my lower damage output.

[PlumpyMcduff]

I think it'd be neat/unique if we had like a short-range channeled heal capability or one which allows us to give a quick burst of speed to an ally (or both!).

I think our support options are dull & too carbon-copy to BRD/even less inspired than BRD (BRD's at least have Keeper's Paeon & Swiftsong also).

*NEW* Recall: Ability - Instant - Self - 30s CD - 50 TP - increase movement speed by 50% for 3 seconds.

*NEW* Salve: Ability - 1.5 cast - 5y Range - 120s CD - 0 TP - restores target's HP every 0.5s. Cure potency 150. TRAIT: Triage - increases cure potency to 250.

What do you think about these other ideas of mine? Here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Changes-HERE

[Ryaz]

oh lord... this again. I cant even ...... ok Im just going to repost an old-ish post because all these "OMG BRD/MCH is support" just gives me a "give up on humanity" headache.



Also, no other class can really do what the Rift Bard does except the other "support" roles. Other DPS classes in this game have comparable buffs with Bards. Bards may be better (arguably) ... but it in no way is it some class defining difference.

Is any of this sinking in yet? Can we stop pretending Bard is a support class now? No? Bah, who am I kidding... of course not.

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First, this is a MCH thread, not Bard. Second, did you even read my post or just make assumptions before lashing out in righteous anger? We have lower base dps due to lower weapon damage-- that's a fact that won't change. SE has said that won't change. We are a dps class, yes, but not every dps class has to bring dps in the exact same way. Losing some personal dps to actually support the party with a constant damage buff (or other buff/debuff as needed) would easily make up for that loss. I'm even advocating removing the damage penalty on MP/TP regen. Not sure why this upsets you so much. All I'm lobbying for is to get our currently lackluster "situational" abilities turned into more useful "constant" abilities.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Yoshi P himself stated that Bard and Machinist are considered support for the party. No, it is not a clearly defined role, but just as a SMN can heal or raise in a pinch, or a WHM can DPS, we provide support AS a DPS. . . Only that we are the only jobs penalized for secondary focus.

So yes, we ARE support, for better or worse. We simply want to realize our full potential as such, while still fulfilling our primary focus as DPS. None of us here believe that's so unreasonable.

[Wishles]

I feel like SE has just done a terrible job with the class system. From the very beginning with the job crystals, nothing is really going well.

[AnnietheCat]

I'm kinda on the fence about this one. On the one hand, I'm not support until they beef the support skills and give me my own spot in the DF. Bards have support utility, they are not a support class. In most of the content in this game, support skills aren't needed if your party composition doesn't require it. The hybrid ridiculousness is poorly implemented. Either we're a support class or we're not. That being said, the fence part comes in here: the support utility is needed at times. So as someone else mentioned, a job split(like specialization in other mmos) is starting to seem necessary. The class system is poorly implemented(as wishles said). MCH doesn't need to be a support hybrid type thing. But if people want those abilities, they should be able to choose to get them. Give us skill trees or something.

[ArtificialxSky]

Raid-wide TP/MP regen is probably what is meant by support. No amount of utility from the other classes can make up for this incredibly powerful ability. And from what I've experienced in Alexander NM so far, it's going to be needed in Savage.

[Viridiana]

When things hit the fan, we're useful. When not, we're a burden.

With the exception of Foe Requiem, that's how BRD has been since launch. Not sure why you would expect something different from MCH.

[AnnietheCat]

Not sure why you would expect something different from MCH.

Probably because it's a different job. Square is making everything the same(with the exception of PLD and WAR) in an effort to achieve "balance". There's no real difference between MCH and BRD, despite them being different jobs, except for our version of GB is poorly implemented and MCH was built around it. There's no room for individuality in this game because it's all cut and paste "balance"; you have to play each class and job the way everyone else plays or else you're a terrible player. But when it comes to BRD and MCH, some of us want to be a better support class and some of us want to be pure dps; there's no room for us to choose which way to go, and so we get these threads calling for square to pick where we stand and stop with the bad hybrid nonsense.