So Tried to Heal Sohm Al as an Astrologian...

[chumsy]

Depends on the tank, I healed a pld for this dungeon and it was a breeze. Ive notice that when im healing a DRK his hp always dips really low and really quick. Havent healed any warriors yet.

[Risvertasashi]

Alot of tanks also get used to the idea that healers will use cooldowns to save them.
Divine Seal, Presence of Mind, or sacred soil/lustrate, eye for an eye, even shadow flare to slow mobs, etc.

TBH, most tanks seem to completely oblivious to how hard it can be to heal them (until you go OOM and they die). On any healer. Just... AST's ceiling is much lower.

[Sidra]

3rd page and I am not sure if anyone has actually mentioned the possibility that it was his fault... I know it's a healer forum but cmon, we are not all perfect. He also is using an i115 weapon - which while it can definitely be done, does not leave much room for error and will require aggressive healing.

Note - I am level 54 AST and have been running Sohm Al with no issues, Ironworks globe, although I do feel like I am very busy, sometimes not even time for a single Gravity on some pulls. The bosses actually seem easier than the trash.

Although I guess I could swap to Noct for Aspected Benefic between pulls to help some, I have been taking the lazy route and just Stoneskinning between pulls and staying in Diurnal.

[SovereignAegis]

Are you putting the HoT on them?

I remember my first time healing 3.0 content that I got a bit overwhelmed at first. Healing certainly did take a turn for the more difficult in general, but I am personally thankful for that to be honest. I am confident that an AST can heal through Sohm Al and all content without difficulty, we even have videos of AST solo healing Ravana (which during the final bit when he spams his AOEs can become intense).

I realize and agree AST needs buffs, hopefully coming this Tuesday (I wish earlier) ... but I severely doubt that they should struggle through trash dungeons like that.

[Leiloni]

TBH, most tanks seem to completely oblivious to how hard it can be to heal them (until you go OOM and they die). On any healer. Just... AST's ceiling is much lower.

Agreed, a lot of tank are used to being heal carried when those healers are blowing cooldowns on trash pulls to keep them alive and just aren't saying anything about it. AST does need some cooldown improvements, but it shouldn't be necessary to blow stuff on trash of all things. Some tanks are noticeably better but some aren't and on an AST it's painfully noticeable.

But even doing Library last night, the tank was pulling appropriately and knew what he was doing - and had "The White" title so clearly played enough WHM to know how to play with your healer. But he was taking so much damage from one pack pulls that I could barely afford to stop healing him long enough to get out DoTs on just one mob. At most I could eek out a Combust II and maybe a Combust before his HP started dipping fast. That I don't think is a tank problem and both of us had appropriate gear. Maybe that's just more a new dungeon design issue.

What made it even worse was he was using Clemency frequently, even when it was not necessary at all - like I'll be mid cast on a heal and he is casting it, or he's not even at half and feels the need to get himself up. Or after one pull he ran quickly around the corner to go grab another and it was so nearby that I didn't feel the need to recast Stoneskin (which I normally do after every pull even though many healers don't), yet he felt the need to go ahead and cast it himself. I don't know if this is just because this PLD was also a WHM and had control issues, or if he really didn't trust the capabilities of an AST. Either way it was really irritating. He also had a macro for Divine Veil and asked me repeatedly why I didn't heal him after the first time he used it. I told him that my mana was low because my dps had died twice on the first boss (new guy didn't quite get the stand behind the closed book mechanic), and in the middle of trying to get that guy back up and deal with my own HP being low, tank is worried that I didn't heal a full HP tank to get a shield that really would only benefit me? Then later on at the last boss, after he had given me a lecture about "this is what this beep means and this skill does" (yes tank, I'm aware of both of these things...), he proceeds to stand next to me and not move after popping it, as if he doesn't trust me to make use of it.

Sorry I'm getting off topic, but holy fuck that was annoying. That to me is the same thing as a healer running ahead to pull mobs for the tank cause he's moving too slowly. Like back the fuck off dude. Unless I'm failing repeatedly at my job, please stop trying to tell the healer what to do and focus on yourself.

I dunno, I really can't stand tanks that do things like this. I had one that had a cleanse macro that would countdown and then request that I cleanse a poison or something off of him. Like can you not? I'm fully capable of watching that debuff/buff bar of yours and cleanse it as soon as I can. You don't see people telling dps to do this and that so why do some tanks have such insane control issues over their healers?

[Yumi_umi]

I just afk and spam Noct sect aspected benefic on the tank with the occasional Aether and essential.
It keeps tank near 90% hp easily lol.
How i know this? I've done it quite a few times with all tanks.
but thats just 1 way of healing if ur super lazy.

[Nihility]

if my memories of sohm al are correct the first few pulls with the pollen and stuff around actually have monsters that do vulnerability up on the tank
and for some reason that's one of the areas where tanks like to do double pulls for no apparent reason despite being slightly undergeared for it

I remember it being exceptionally rough on astro but calming down once your past that part of it
yet somehow on scholar and white mage the same problems didn't exist at all

[technole]

3rd page and I am not sure if anyone has actually mentioned the possibility that it was his fault... I know it's a healer forum but cmon, we are not all perfect. He also is using an i115 weapon - which while it can definitely be done, does not leave much room for error and will require aggressive healing..

Oh I agree, an i115 for this dungeon is technically undergeared (i120 is at-level until The Aery. Ideally it's best to get the upgraded Ironworks i130 by Level 50. The only higher weapon is the T13 drop.) so there is more work to be done and doesn't leave much room for error or DPS. I've seen other healers with i110 weapons and seen the struggles personally playing as SMN.

[Ashquar]

I did mention that I deserved being kicked from the group. Completely agree with you there. Maybe it was that my gear was wrong, maybe i was doing something wrong or something.

[Leiloni]

Oh I agree, an i115 for this dungeon is technically undergeared (i120 is at-level until The Aery. Ideally it's best to get the upgraded Ironworks i130 by Level 50. The only higher weapon is the T13 drop.) so there is more work to be done and doesn't leave much room for error or DPS. I've seen other healers with i110 weapons and seen the struggles personally playing as SMN.

Well the story quests give you every gear upgrade you'd ever need along the way (I think you get a new set every 2 levels?). Even if you're on an alt job and have done it already, there are vendors in every zone that give up to date white weapons if you don't already have a better one. They actually have entire sets of gear at those vendors. So nobody should ever be undergeared for anything while leveling lol.