Requesting Data for Parry RATE (not amount mitigated)

[MythToken]

Yes that is the reason for the "downgrade".

But this is the current state of things, and we should be looking at substats as they are now, and not as they were.

And where they are now = useless (for lack of a better term)

I do agree with you in that, I hope as ilvl increases they play more of a role in gear choices, and that sub stats scale correctly.
Or that we are given gear choices at all. (currently we have no choices, unless you are a tank)

I guess we will see in about a day with esoterics and savage gear.

[Kyros]

Since I didn't see it posted, here is the old Parry Formula at level 50:

([Parry - 341] * 0.076) + 10

I personally verified it myself. The actual * was between 0.076 and .08, but we took the lower value since there is no way of verifying which it was due to ACT rounding.

So far from this thread I've found Disc's results the most interesting. It seems PLD has a flat 5% baseline instead of 10% from the other jobs. Makes sense, considering the whole one-handed weapon thing.

Any more PLD's that can input a 5% baseline?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Its been changed a lot since last expansion.

[Zfz]

And where they are now = useless (for lack of a better term)

Have you analysed the status of the other secondary stats to come to this conclusion? How have those changed? If you care to share? I agree that it's meaningless to say "our stats are less potent then they were in Lv50 so all the stats are garbage now." We need to look at the relative value of stats between their Lv60 counterparts, not compared to the meaningless Lv50 state.

Ultimately, we want to know the effect of one point of parry, versus the effect of one point of skill speed/crit/determination, all at level 60. Their old values at level 50 are irrelevant and has no bearing on their value now.

Its been changed a lot since last expansion.

What exactly has changed and how?


People please remember this is a fact finding thread, everything you say should be supported by hard data or hard math/logic.

[Zfz]

Now to summarize all the data up to this point:

734 Parry is with Drk not WAR.

P% is Parry/Swings
P%-M is Parry/(Swings-Misses)

A few observations:

• Look at Disc's data for 456 parry: the parry rates differ from 4.79% at 376 samples to 6.77% at 561 samples, then to 8.21% at 4005 samples. Seeing also how others have also commented that the parry rates don't fluctuate much after about 1000 samples, I think this is evidence enough that anything less than 1000 samples are not reliable and should not be considered for analysis.
• Look at the miss rate, there is a big discrepancy. For example Disc's results on Tsanahale showed 7.85% miss out of 6532 swings, as well as 9.34% miss out of 4005 swings. Unless there are some known reason for this, it may suggest that we should be looking at sample sizes of at least 10,000 swings.
• Habien's DRK parry is consistently higher than WAR and PLD results. With 354 parry giving about 10% (double that of Disc's shieldless PLD) and 468 parry giving 13.02% (more than Hundred's WAR at 514 parry giving 11.72%). One plausible explanation is that Habien is doing the tests on a Lv58 Goblin Tinker, and Hundred is testing on a Lv60 Chimera.

In conclusion, I suggest that:

• All future test must have at least 1,000 swings.
• All future tests done on Lv60 targets
• Be more specific about the data, in particular the crits and exact enemy name+level

[Hundred]

734 Parry is with Drk not WAR.

[Daerthalus]

What do I need to get this data. I'd like to help.

[Dervy]

we should be looking at sample sizes of at least 10,000 swings.

You understand it.

If you guys can find an identifiable parry scale and chart it accurately in a Linear regression, I think I could get something done, especially with what Sunny has found regarding stats with a base of 354.

As for secondaries, check the DPS forums. SimFF thread page 14 onwards I believe. I did all the work already and everything has been butchered, significantly.

Actual Critical Hit Chance and Damage formulas (in game ones) are in the OP of the Dragoon thread and yes, each Level has an individual coefficient to calculate base value of CRT.

[Disc]

Now to summarize all the data up to this point...

Tsanahale are level 59 & only use physical attacks. I would say the miss rtae is likely due to Flash, which I had to use to maintain hate against chocobo in 30 minute fights.

[Ippiki]

I hope no one is using Stoneskin or Clemency to keep themselves alive, you can't block or parry while casting.

Having a lot of experience in progression in this game, I can say this:

PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT PARRY(AND SHOULD): Progression raiders, solo tanks, tanks with very aggressive Cleric Stance healer, and tanks with poor healers.

PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT PARRY: Not the above.