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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Now to summarize all the data up to this point:



    Quote Originally Posted by Hundred View Post
    734 Parry is with Drk not WAR.
    P% is Parry/Swings
    P%-M is Parry/(Swings-Misses)

    A few observations:
    • Look at Disc's data for 456 parry: the parry rates differ from 4.79% at 376 samples to 6.77% at 561 samples, then to 8.21% at 4005 samples. Seeing also how others have also commented that the parry rates don't fluctuate much after about 1000 samples, I think this is evidence enough that anything less than 1000 samples are not reliable and should not be considered for analysis.
    • Look at the miss rate, there is a big discrepancy. For example Disc's results on Tsanahale showed 7.85% miss out of 6532 swings, as well as 9.34% miss out of 4005 swings. Unless there are some known reason for this, it may suggest that we should be looking at sample sizes of at least 10,000 swings.
    • Habien's DRK parry is consistently higher than WAR and PLD results. With 354 parry giving about 10% (double that of Disc's shieldless PLD) and 468 parry giving 13.02% (more than Hundred's WAR at 514 parry giving 11.72%). One plausible explanation is that Habien is doing the tests on a Lv58 Goblin Tinker, and Hundred is testing on a Lv60 Chimera.

    In conclusion, I suggest that:
    • All future test must have at least 1,000 swings.
    • All future tests done on Lv60 targets
    • Be more specific about the data, in particular the crits and exact enemy name+level
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    Last edited by Zfz; 07-22-2015 at 02:18 AM.
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    we should be looking at sample sizes of at least 10,000 swings.
    You understand it.

    If you guys can find an identifiable parry scale and chart it accurately in a Linear regression, I think I could get something done, especially with what Sunny has found regarding stats with a base of 354.

    As for secondaries, check the DPS forums. SimFF thread page 14 onwards I believe. I did all the work already and everything has been butchered, significantly.

    Actual Critical Hit Chance and Damage formulas (in game ones) are in the OP of the Dragoon thread and yes, each Level has an individual coefficient to calculate base value of CRT.
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    Kalos Ianei
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Now to summarize all the data up to this point...
    Tsanahale are level 59 & only use physical attacks. I would say the miss rtae is likely due to Flash, which I had to use to maintain hate against chocobo in 30 minute fights.
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    Lockhart Dawn
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    I hope no one is using Stoneskin or Clemency to keep themselves alive, you can't block or parry while casting.

    Having a lot of experience in progression in this game, I can say this:

    PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT PARRY(AND SHOULD): Progression raiders, solo tanks, tanks with very aggressive Cleric Stance healer, and tanks with poor healers.

    PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT PARRY: Not the above.
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    Aaliyah Rose
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ippiki View Post
    I hope no one is using Stoneskin or Clemency to keep themselves alive, you can't block or parry while casting.
    True. However, PLD should be using Clemency on party members to keep others alive and (you could use it on yourself if you see yourself with dangerously low HP) possibly on yourself to help the healers during raid wide aoe. PLD is already beefy enough as it is.
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