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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Its more about when the buff is applied and triggers.
    Which does not have to be tied into combat event resolution.

    Let me just ask you one question on the pseudo-code you presented. In these three statements:
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    If RNG < Crit THEN
    If RNG < Block and Position = Front THEN
    If RNG < Parry and Position = Front THEN
    are all three "RNG" the one and the same random number? Or do they represent drawing 3 different random numbers?

    If you draw one random number, then you have been talking about the one-roll attack table model all the time. And if you re-draw a new random number when you check for each of Crit/Block/Parry, then you are talking about a multi-roll model.

    The point I'm trying to make, is that having multiple procs and drops from the same combat action do not necessarily dictate that the different outcomes of the same combat action must be multi-roll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    We are only seeing the final result (was an attack parried or not) and only can see one of the variables. There is nothing telling us X Parry value = 10% Parry. All we know and have been told is that a Program uses our Parry stat and character level and a Random number to determine if we have parried or not. The X% parry numbers are percentages based on parsed data. Nothing in game tells us our Percentage Block Rate or Percentage Parry Rate.
    A multi-roll system will mean that every 1% rate increase of stats for a higher-priority outcome will diminish the value of 1% rate increase of stats for a lower-priority outcome.

    For example, suppose 15% miss > 5% crit > 20% block > 10% parry > remainder being regular hit. Suppose that is the probabilities you end up with your gear. We don't know these probabilities, but we know the amount of stats we have. Taking in-game data, we will see:
    • in a multi-roll system, 0.85*0.95*0.8*0.1=0.0646=6.46% of the swings end up being parry;
    • in a single-roll system, 10% of the swings end up being parry.
    Now increase block from 20% to 30%, and again taking in-game data, we will see:
    • in a multi-roll system, 0.85*0.95*0.7*0.1=0.056525=5.65% of the swings end up being parry;
    • in a single-roll system, still 10% of the swings end up being parry.
    Hence in a multi-roll system, you want to maximize stats that contribute to a higher priority mitigation outcome (in this case, Block is more valuable than Parry), unless the mitigation from a lower priority outcome is extremely strong (for example if parry was 50% mitigation, then you would want to exchange as much of your block rate as possible for as much parry as possible). In a single-roll system, all mitigation outcomes grow independent of each other until you have enough of the high-priority outcomes to push the low-priority ones off the attack table.

    (As an aside, that's what tanks in World of Warcraft once was able to do: to push regular hits off the attack table so that 100% of all hits are mitigated.)

    This is why it is important to investigate the combat resolution system. It will change the relative values of the defensive stats and how you gear your tank.
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    Last edited by Zfz; 07-20-2015 at 09:01 PM.
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