A Simple Solution to the Change to Bard

[SonTensei]

Wait why is not having two BRD/MCHs bad? Most progression groups do not run double anything. That argument at this point is pointless.

correction a vast majority of world first groups in 2.x ran double monk

[Raist]

Adding a new job would be a rather intense change. Don't get me wrong...I would love to see a more dedicated Ranger type of job added one day. But a "simple" change would be something like damage modifier tweaks or more daring like giving auto attacks back in some fashion (maybe increase delay or something for some form of balance). Just throw them a bone of sorts to give incentive/assurances to foster more experimentation.

[Dragoon4life]

Yes but they do have damage boosters that when turned on stay on. WM is a damage booster. That's the comparison. Now if they (MNK NIN) suddenly got a cast bar for using the damage boosters everyone would hate it. WM should be used like the DRG skill where as it boosts a few previous skills and only new skills can be used while WM is on. Or just uses MP and Boosting DEX.

[SonTensei]

Yes but they do have damage boosters that when turned on stay on. WM is a damage booster. That's the comparison. Now if they (MNK NIN) suddenly got a cast bar for using the damage boosters everyone would hate it. WM should be used like the DRG skill where as it boosts a few previous skills and only new skills can be used while WM is on. Or just uses MP and Boosting DEX.

I agree with this here.. This is the answer WM should tick your mana, and NOT stop autoattack... You a bard? U need to choose

a. Restore Mana
b. Buff Casters
c. Restore TP
d. Give myself more DPS BISH

This would be the best solution imho.
Here is the issue...

BLM / SMN / SCH / WHM / AST + FOE > BRD + WM so essentially the bard wouldnt use the new abilities unless there were no casters in the party.

[Dragoon4life]

DRG is my wife and Bard is my mistress. I Main a DRG and Bard both have Pros and Cons at certain content. DRG for me was better when doing those Alex Maps and DPS check. Bard got me thru most of my EX Primals and help me master them so I could do them with my DRG. I was always a Baiter in Ramuh Ex. Even now DRG is a lil better for Bismark EX while Bard is a lil easier in Ravanna EX.

[Raist]

Yeah...was somewhat disappointed we didn't get something along the lines of Valor Minuet (maybe not as strong as T4...but you get the idea). Seems like that would have been time better spent by the developers considering the penalty we take for singing. Would have been a soft nerf of sorts for BRD while keeping them in demand---and they likely wouldn't be stuck with the aftermath of trying to rebalance things.

[Emerald_Wyvern]

Honestly it should just be a stance. You toggle it on and off giving yourself the increased damage and cast times, but it shouldn't lock out all the new abilities. What it should do is maybe add an additional proc or two to the new abilities.

[ruskie]

Honestly it should just be a stance. You toggle it on and off giving yourself the increased damage and cast times, but it shouldn't lock out all the new abilities. What it should do is maybe add an additional proc or two to the new abilities.

I'd be fine just being to use the new abilities outside the stance.

[Reaperking386]

Yoshi P. is fine with bard and so am I. Don't like the class? then find a new one or game. I understand you want to play a class a certain way, but this is not the game to do it. Try mechanic.

[dank1]

Dont use the whole brd dilemna to blantantly push your non brd related agenda, your signature clearly says what you really want, dont act like you care about brds lol