A Simple Solution to the Change to Bard

[m3eansean]

I think they are close to where Bard needs to be, they could probably tweak it slightly to boost its DPS just a bit, but people who are complaining about having 2+ bards in a group and not being able to clear it are just clueless.

TBH there are many that flat out refuse to use WM and others that don't know how to use it effectively it would seem. I've been in groups like Bis EX where we had 2 bards and they couldn't cut the dps check. Verified by using a "pen and paper" that they were significantly behind the others.

[justinjarjar]

It was a balance issue where mobility could not be balanced, this was their fix which is prob one of the better fixes. (no a need to stand in one spot buff would not work as well as WM try to never move in a primal or raid.....) I think the biggest problem right now is the clunkyness of the procs which have seen some posts on. There prob will be fixes in the future and QoL fixes for bards with WM, I doubt you will see WM go away, however.

[Taban]

I've done A1 and A3 with 3 bards (1 of them being myself). Bards are pretty much fine now. I wish they wouldn't have nerfed Sidewinder, but oh well, the extra DoT damage from WM makes up for that and more.

I think they are close to where Bard needs to be, they could probably tweak it slightly to boost its DPS just a bit, but people who are complaining about having 2+ bards in a group and not being able to clear it are just clueless.

A1 and A3 can be cleared with 3 decent dps and one on the floor so that doesn't really mean much =p

No one is going to bring 2 brd/mch to alex savage, it will just be a drain on the team, and brd/mch will always be in that situation as long as SE continues to balance them below other dps.

[Catwho]

Bards aren't getting any where near the DPS BLM are not even close

A good bard with a black mage will never out DPS the black mage because they're going to be giving them Foe's Requiem. Apples to apples it is the worst comparison to make.

[justinjarjar]

Wait why is not having two BRD/MCHs bad? Most progression groups do not run double anything. That argument at this point is pointless.

[Raist]

Adding a new job would be a rather intense change. Don't get me wrong...I would love to see a more dedicated Ranger type of job added one day. But a "simple" change would be something like damage modifier tweaks or more daring like giving auto attacks back in some fashion (maybe increase delay or something for some form of balance). Just throw them a bone of sorts to give incentive/assurances to foster more experimentation.

[Dragoon4life]

Bards just want Mobility back. WM should just use MP like the rest of the songs, and do area wide DEX damage Boost, like Foe does. Limiting the use of the new skills during WM is the Balance End of story Kind of like how the DRG new skills work. The cast bar changes how the class is played, it also make it not fun. imagine if Monks and Ninjas had cast bars. And losing auto attack is just double over kill.

[Dante_V]

Bards just want Mobility back. WM should just use MP like the rest of the songs, and do area wide DEX damage Boost, like Foe does. Limiting the use of the new skills during WM is the Balance End of story Kind of like how the DRG new skills work. The cast bar changes how the class is played, it also make it not fun. imagine if Monks and Ninjas had cast bars. And losing auto attack is just double over kill.

Comparison makes no sense. Ninjas and Monks aren't ranged.

[Dragoon4life]

Yes but they do have damage boosters that when turned on stay on. WM is a damage booster. That's the comparison. Now if they (MNK NIN) suddenly got a cast bar for using the damage boosters everyone would hate it. WM should be used like the DRG skill where as it boosts a few previous skills and only new skills can be used while WM is on. Or just uses MP and Boosting DEX.

[SonTensei]

Wait why is not having two BRD/MCHs bad? Most progression groups do not run double anything. That argument at this point is pointless.

correction a vast majority of world first groups in 2.x ran double monk