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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    XIV is an RPG as much as it is an MMO. Just deal with it.
    There isnt much rpg in XIV. I do agree with bringing this argument up every now and then tho, as it reminds me I need to replay some real rpgs again sometimes. (neverwinter, DA, Mass effect, Kotor, Spellforce, etc)

    Quote Originally Posted by 416to305 View Post
    Lol too funny, sorry man life is unfair, can't have everything handed to you. Put it this way, I'm 30 and want to learn violin. I try and it's hard as shit, but my neighbour who is 30 plays like a total pro because he's been playing since he was 5 years old. Does that mean that I should get some kind of magical bonus because he has 25 years on me and I'm new?
    Well if you were to enlist your neighbours aid, im sure you would learn much faster. One might argue that qualifies as some kind of magical bonus. Why, if you were (are) at very good terms with your neighbour, that might even happen naturally.

    Unfortunately in mmos these days we are not often on good (or any) terms with our neightbours.
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    Psycho Bunny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Well if you were to enlist your neighbours aid, im sure you would learn much faster. One might argue that qualifies as some kind of magical bonus. Why, if you were (are) at very good terms with your neighbour, that might even happen naturally..
    But that's exactly what I said. My friend who is still at 50 I help out by buying him the MNK gear in Ishgard which is ilvl 115 and better than the gear you get with tomes of poetics. Each item is like 15,000-25,000 gil so super cheap. So anyone who is in a FC can easily ask anyone to do the same since the items are tradable. That way you can blow through any of the primals or dungeons required to complete the MSQs in ARR without having to run raids and dungeons over and over to collect gear trying to up your ilvl a bit. I remember when getting Ifrit's weapon was exciting, now it's useless. So just this alone is pretty much the same as giving a huge bonus. We were surprised you could even do that. Maybe the OP doesn't realize just how long it took to get this same quality gear before by using tomes, where you'd do daily roulette and get like 100 of them or do Titan HM and get like 15, when most pieces like body needed 875 of them to buy.

    My point is when I hit 50, my gear was like ilvl 50 or less. I had to do Ifrit and others over and over collecting tomes to get better gear, then Syrcus Tower for Oil/Sands of Time to upgrade that, then finally WoD when I was geared enough, work on the relic weapon etc, which took months alone but you had to do it since some of the required dungeons or primals needed ilvl 90 as a minimum. Now you can simply buy on the market board or get a friend to buy you gear in Ishgard and you're instantly ilvl 115. If that's not a HUGE bonus right there then I'm sorry but I don't know what more someone else wants.
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    You actually require far less help then that. It should be possible to run all of the MSQ duties in an undersized group with some 60s. Done Garuda HM in duo as WHM/Ninja (not super geared, like 170~), so with 3 60's it shouldnt be too hard to do all the duties that dont hard require 8~ people.

    I think people in this game are too used to just going DF as ive rarely seen Undersized party been brought up as counterargument to trouble finding groups/long waiting time in queue.
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    Lisotte Poena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    You actually require far less help then that. It should be possible to run all of the MSQ duties in an undersized group with some 60s. Done Garuda HM in duo as WHM/Ninja (not super geared, like 170~), so with 3 60's it shouldnt be too hard to do all the duties that dont hard require 8~ people.

    I think people in this game are too used to just going DF as ive rarely seen Undersized party been brought up as counterargument to trouble finding groups/long waiting time in queue.
    At the same time... how meaningful really is that content if a new player ends up being carried through it? We had the same issue in FFXI where rather than progressing through the different quests, limit breaks, airship, AF, etc. in a group of people who were progressing together, you'd end up just having one lvl 75 guy sneak/invis you and carry you through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Why, if you were (are) at very good terms with your neighbour, that might even happen naturally.

    Unfortunately in mmos these days we are not often on good (or any) terms with our neightbours.
    Akrista and I are trying to reach out and help Raikou with this, so at least some neighbors are worth having.
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