Defending monks

[Garlyle]

players of equal skill the goon should win in dps

This is the concerning bit. Dragoon and Ninja have the effect of increasing the damage dealt by the rest of the party as well; which actually means the DPS contribution of a Dragoon or Ninja is greater than their personal number. While Monk can reduce the outgoing damage a party has to face and help defend against it, it does not have that impact of enhancing other allies as well.

So the fact that Monk's potential is slightly lower than that of other DPS is actually a tiny bit concerning because that's also not factoring in the DPS that Dragoons and Ninjas add through others. Though this is not to underestimate Dragon Kick and Mantra's more subtle impact, generally speaking DPS are valued for their, well, DPS.

That said if there ends up being a significant distaste for Monks in group content, SE wouldn't let it linger for long. They've proven themselves pretty stable about jumping to address balance and perception issues.

[Sen_Terrechant]

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DK has a more then subtle impact, it was basically required to have a MNK for a long time in T13. If there are any other turns with large amounts of magic damage MNK will again be a must pick just for DK.

[Garlyle]

DK has a more then subtle impact, it was basically required to have a MNK for a long time in T13. If there are any other turns with large amounts of magic damage MNK will again be a must pick just for DK.

Or you can bring a Dark Knight. To my understanding, Delirium is basically Dragon Kick without the defense effect (it in fact doesn't stack with or overwrite Dragon Kick).

Though yes, that is one thing to note; there are always questions of what a specific fight calls for and the requirements attached that can hurt or harm a class.

And with regards to Dragon Kick's impact, it all depends on if it's the difference between survival or not. Dragon Kick or Delirium may indeed be mandatory for bleeding edge progression but that advantage will fade out fast as gear gets better and it's no longer the difference between life and death.

[Craiger]

Maybe your just bad at dpsing with monks plain and simple

I out dps alot of dragoons easy with no effort and lower ilv wats your point

By that awful logic, I would assume MNKs are OP and needs a huge nerf... because most people I have played with doesn't come close to me on DPS(unless the fight is really bad for MNK).

DRGs do higher DPS on a dummy, and while MNK have Chakra to get during real fights, we're talking about very few Forbidden Chakra usages during a fight, and it won't make up for the gap between DRG and MNK.

There is no point in discussing whether someone here is good enough or not, because we're all comparing DRG and MNK played perfectly, which is what you should be doing.

[Hakmatic]

This dude again. Dragoon is better, plain and simple bro. I dont care how you slice it. Take it from someone who plays both classes to their max.

[OneWingedSora]

As someone who plays with some of the best melees in the game, I can safely say DRG is better than MNK right now. There are no ifs and buts, DRG is just plain better at the moment. You need to group with better people bro.

[Maddrox]

Maybe your just bad at dpsing with monks plain and simple

Yeah I suck obviously .. I mean we can't all be super monks.

@AldricBranchais

DRG has... Battle Litany, and buffs BRD / MCH And top dps atm

NIN has Trick Attack, and Goad
And Dancing Edge, Trick attack also buffs the entire groups damage does it not ?

MNK has Super Mantra< LOL , Dragon Kick.
Mantra is ok in a pinch when healing is getting over taxed which @ higher gear levels becomes less useful , Dragon Kick was good for the - int debuff but only buffs monks damage since iirc only titan egi does blunt dmg other than monk. Now you can just bring a DRK and fill monks spot with another dps.

And the DPS is pretty tied with Dragoon's edging out. Barely. We're fine
Granted i don't feel like monk is full on broken Its not on the same level as the other 2 melee dps.

[VitalSuit]

Could just be those DRGs are bad. Wouldn't be the first time.
Anyway, even if DRGs out DPS us now... It's such a small difference so why give a crap?





DRG has... Battle Litany, and buffs BRD / MCH.

NIN has Trick Attack, and Goad (eh).

MNK has Super Mantra, Dragon Kick.

And the DPS is pretty tied with Dragoon's edging out. Barely. We're fine.

NIN has trick attack, goad, smoke screen, dancing edge (buffs all 3 tanks), and shadewalker.

MNK has super mantra and dragon kick

DRG has battle litany and the piercing debuff.

[Atreides]

I don't think they will give monk anything to push the group DPS, we just need to wait for the next expansion "Wrath of Rhalgr" 4.0 where monks will be the main attraction.
Heavensward is the Dragoons turn to shine. :P
With that being said, Dragoons were sitting in the Monks shadow for almost the whole duration of ARR.

[Uninstall]

I out dps alot of dragoons easy with no effort and lower ilv wats your point

Come back when you can beat Crimson Stark before you spread your autism any further here.