Thread: Recipe changes in 1.19

Originally Posted by Reika

This is only because you wont have to invest as many total materials into making a finished item. Take the new item Steel Cuirass VS the current Iron Cuirass for example. Iron Cuirasses as they are are a pain in the ass to craft, but after the patch, it will take a lot less time kneeling to produce a Cuirass.

For me being, wanting to mainly craft weapons and armor since day one, going from ore to ingot in one shot is a godsend alone. Looking at the new recipies for cloth gear, I see that they will also take way less materials total than the old ones did.

If they left cotton as yielding 12, then all you would need is 2 cotton balls to make 2 finished items.

Perhaps 1 is way too low, but 12 would be way too high for the current changes to finished items. Maybe if they went to a 1 cotton-1 yarn conversion it would prove a lot better.

look at the cotton crafts again. yes, the did lower the materials to make the items, but did they make it 1/7th of what it was?

2 cotton bolls turn into 9 cotton cloth after completing 4 synths.

36 cotton bolls turn into 9 cotton cloth after 27 synths after.

that is 18 times the number of materials, 7 times the shard cost, and 7 times the number of shards

that's what i am saying they claimed to make it easier to get the materials to get finished items by fixing the recipes, but they increased the time to get the lower parts dramatically which makes the overall craft take longer.

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

now it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 12 cotton yarn. still with me?

after it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton yarn. do you understand still?

before 1 synth makes 12 items....after it takes 12 synths to get the same amount of materials. to grind 12 parts or 12 finished items it will take 12x the number of synths to get the same amount of material.

If this is true, then can we imagine how this will affect the market??!! Prices will rise exponentially?! And even now people are complaining they can't sell their items at low prices.

Originally Posted by Fanzeron

If this is true, then can we imagine how this will affect the market??!! Prices will rise exponentially?! And even now people are complaining they can't sell their items at low prices.

oh yeah i am already working on turning my stacks of logs into lumber, bolls and flax into yarn, and skins into leather. i'm going to make another alt just to put those items on.

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

you dont do leves since 1.18 since you cant abandon them anymore,lol. i did 100k last night in 2 hours and with a party 8/8 and 100GA id do around 150k in 2 hours.

I never ever abandoned a leve. I just think they are not worth the annoyance of battling in this game.

I never played the game to have 654675476547 classes 50...i always played for fun...and this is why i'm still annoyed with leves, with 1.18 still and already concerned about 1.19.

EDIT: Don't get fooled by my sig...all those ranks (except by BTN) were obtained prior 1.18.

Originally Posted by lenn1

This reminds me of when they changed the leve system so you couldn't fail them on purpose. People were freaking out and demanding for alternate ways to gain sp at that speed or they'll rage quit. We're still leveling at a decent pace and i don't think anyone is even bothered by it anymore.

I don't understand why people are raging about the pace at which we'll be leveling because that really hasn't changed. All that changed is what we will be leveling on.

What bothers me is the cost. Look at this example of crafting 200 trapper's hats (something I did from r19 to 23ish) that each NPC'd for 1350g

Recipe:
1x Cotton Cloth, 1x Dodo Leather, 1x Hippogryph Sinew Cord

Before:
500g Dodo Skin = 4x Dodo leather (125g per leather).
500g Cotton Boll x2 (1000g) = 12x Thread = 12x Cloth (80g per cloth).
750g Hippogryph Sinew Cord = 12x Sinew (62.5g per cord)

(50 hide, 200 leather = 25,000g) + (34 bolls, 200x cloth = 17,000g) + (17 sinew, 200 cords = 12,750g)
Total Cost: 54,750g
Total Return: 270,000g ~ 215,250g PROFIT



After: (Assuming no inflation, which there will be because supply has no chance of keeping up with the massive demand raw materials will have)
500g Dodo Skin = 1x Dodo leather (500g per leather).
500g Cotton Boll x2 (1000g) = 1x Thread = 1x Cloth (1000g per cloth).
750g Hippogryph Sinew Cord = 1x Sinew (750g per cord)? (Correct me if this is wrong, I don't remember seeing what it said for this, I will correct my math accordingly)

(200 hide, 200 leather = 100,000g) + (400 bolls, 200x cloth = 200,000g) + (200 sinew, 200 cords = 150,000g)
Total Cost: 450,000g
Total Return: 270,000g ~ 180,000g LOSS

So suddenly, the same inexpensive recipe I used to rank up and stash some cash for future not-so-profitable ones just became a huge loss. That is without the price inflation that will occur without a huge increase in either A. gatherers, B. the quantity of raw material that they will sell. This also doesn't include the increased amount of crystals I will need to fulfill all these synths. As a leatherworker, I'm screwed. All my stuff comes from mob drops which will now be even more crowded than they used to be.

Don't get me wrong, I love the update and unlike most people think its a overall positive step. The financial side of things scare me though. Feels like everyone who is already an R50 crafters will just be able to make lots of money at the expense of all the developing crafters. (As in, they will be using this inflation to sell finished items for more money while we have to pay more just for the raw materials to skill up on our bulk-loss-synths)