Midgardsormr's Sorrow [SPOILER]

[EdwinLi]

Warning: This contains spoiler discussion.

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I feel sad for Midgardsormr since his life as a father is a horrible one.

Each of his children known to us currently all have horrible fates caused by the actions of others or their own actions from...

- Bahamut was killed by the Allagans during their conquest of the world in the Third Astral Era.

- Tiamat was tricked by the Ascians to summon a fake version of Bahamut and then the Ascians gave the Allagans the knowlodge on how to enslave dragons and imprisoned Tiamat in Azys Lia to be studied as a research material while the Fake Bahamut was imprisoned in Dalamud using the knowledge the Ascians gave the Allagans. She now punish herself by choosing to remain imprisoned for eternity.

- Ratatoskr is murdered by the founders of Ishgard due to their desire for power.

- Nidhogg is turned into a Crazy Vengeful Dragon by the actions of the Founders of Ishgard and his vengence was allowed to fester by his brother until it completely consumed him.

- Hraesvelgr now put himself through self isolation due to the regret over his own actions from not being able to prevent Rataiskr's death, couldn't prevent Nidhogg from losing his eyes from the betrayal, allowing Nidhogg to turn into the monster he is now knowing full well he would become like this if allowed to live, and for allowing Nidhogg to cause the death of thousands of Dravanians and Ishgardians for centuries over his quest for vengence.

It is like the world just want to beat Midgardsormr with a stick even after he is dead.

[Jinrya-Geki]

I found it odd Midgarsomr had nothing to say to Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr during their scenes.

He talks with Tiamat, but not them to try and calm them? That makes no sense.

Just odd to me in general.

[EdwinLi]

I found it odd Midgarsomr had nothing to say to Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr during their scenes.

He talks with Tiamat, but not them to try and calm them? That makes no sense.

Just odd to me in general.

It is most likely due to Estinien being there.

Midgar, during those times, didn't want the world to know he has returned and he knows full well Estinien would reveal to the world that Midgar has returned. If the world learned that he had returned it would have started a massive panic so he had to choose who he reveal himself to wisely.

[Musashidon]

It is most likely due to Estinien being there.

Midgar, during those times, didn't want the world to know he has returned and he knows full well Estinien would reveal to the world that Midgar has returned. If the world learned that he had returned it would have started a massive panic so he had to choose who he reveal himself to wisely.

not only this, but nidhogg is beyond saving even midgar says it. he mourns for what nidhogg become.

Hraesvelgr is in the same situation as tiamat (regret) but the difference is if midgard has convinced him to help us things would have played out differently (certain spoilers that i will leave out)but he had ysayle who (from the same spoiler) seems to get close to him.

Ehh.. I dunno, considering how Estinien seemed to be, I'm sure he wouldn't care too much if Middy came out to solve the situation. I mean, I'm also pretty curious how the heck Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr didn't notice Midgardsormr's presence, you'd think they'd be able to detect the specific aether of their dad.

Tbh I think the story of Heavensward 3.0 has way to much of a pro-Ishgard stance and all the awful stuff to the great wyrms is kinda apart of that.

he is the father of them, i wouldn't be shocked if he is strong enough to hide from nearly anyone.

i personally think it was pretty even, the only truely bad dragon was nidhogg, we find out only a small part of each group truely hate each other.

[EdwinLi]

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No matter how a person would put it it seem something tragic has happened to each of Midgar's children.

I hope that the last two at least have a better fate than the curent five since Midgar has a lot of emotional scars left by what has happened to his children but considering how so far none hasn't suffered a horrible fate caused by the world it may just be wishful thinking.

[Musashidon]

No matter how a person would put it it seem something tragic has happened to each of Midgar's children.

mhm! not only that it's his kids, and he is pretty chill about it. (not saying he is happy) just waiting for the day to see midgard go full size and wreck whoever happens to be in his way (hopefully not us!)

[Samcaesar]

he is the father of them, i wouldn't be shocked if he is strong enough to hide from nearly anyone.

i personally think it was pretty even, the only truely bad dragon was nidhogg, we find out only a small part of each group truely hate each other.

I mean, maybe mortals couldn't sense him too well, but I find it sooo odd that Hraesvelgr wasn't all "And uh.. Dad what the heck are you doing here". They're such aether attuned beings, you'd think they'd be notice to sense such a unique presence such as father of all dragons.

I dunno, I think the story really poorly handles Nidhogg, like Hraesveglr basically could rein him in whenever.. And yet didn't. Nor does it explain why the heck Midgardsormr or Hraesvelgr couldn't just counter-act Nidhogg's song with their own version of it. Plus I feel it's kinda annoying whenever we help Ishgard kill tons of dragons (Not knowing if they're just living in the Dravania area or attack Ishgard) left and right and we're suppose to be that "neutral" factor to the war. I really hope Ishgard's habits of killing/attack any and all dragons doesn't immediately stop with the end of 3.0, or I'm calling out some shenanigans.

[EdwinLi]

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Well you have to remember Midgar is still in a very weak state in 3.0. As mentioned back in 2.5, Midgar is still recovering so the amount of power he has is very minor which can prevent anyone from noticing his presence. The largest size he can take form in now is the mount form but that is only at the end of 3.0 when he has gain back a slight amount of his powers.

As for Ishgard's hatred of dragons born from a false belief.....

The habit won't stop as shown through Dark Knight Job quest and is even mentioned at the end of 3.0 it will take generations before this habit stops and peace can be obtained.

[Musashidon]

I really hope Ishgard's habits of killing/attack any and all dragons doesn't immediately stop with the end of 3.0, or I'm calling out some shenanigans.

i don't see either side easily just giving up fighting completely. would also be wierd (killing dragons in the new area's when are suppose to be at peace)

can the other great wyrms cancel out each others roars? at most i can see midgard being able to but i see him as a neutral party (as in he won't stop the fighting but he won't help it either he shows this a lot towards us too)

[saber_alter]

I mean, maybe mortals couldn't sense him too well, but I find it sooo odd that Hraesvelgr wasn't all "And uh.. Dad what the heck are you doing here". They're such aether attuned beings, you'd think they'd be notice to sense such a unique presence such as father of all dragons.

remember midgar outlasts almost everything on eorzea. even at a fraction of his power he can effectively do what he wants and get away with it.

I dunno, I think the story really poorly handles Nidhogg, like Hraesveglr basically could rein him in whenever.. And yet didn't.

he wanted to make amends for not seeing this betrayal before it could happen. His heart is heavy with guilt for allowing the knights 12 and thordan to kill his sister and tear out Nidhogg's eyes.

Nor does it explain why the heck Midgardsormr or Hraesvelgr couldn't just counter-act Nidhogg's song with their own version of it.

they likely could, but they have no interest in doing so. most likely the song only affects members of their brood anyway (nidhogg's children can only hear nidhogg's song, and the like.)

I really hope Ishgard's habits of killing/attack any and all dragons doesn't immediately stop with the end of 3.0, or I'm calling out some shenanigans.

according to nidhogg, the war is still on.

Couldn't Midgardsormr hear Nidhogg's song? Like he was the one who alerted us to that whole deal. And if it affects only members of their brood.. Well now that we've got Middy's respect and all that, I don't imagine him not being both willing nor able to sooth Nidhogg's rage.

remember, Midgar sits higher on the totem pole and Hraesvelgr is Nidhogg's brother. i was referring to direct descendants of those dragons (dragons lower on the totem pole.)

And nothing is going to soothe nidhogg's rancor. it has run for so long, so deep, that only the death/draconification of every living ishgardian would sate him.