Thread: 3.05 Job Balance Request Megathread

Originally Posted by HairyRoger

Can we not include another mch change thread in here. The suggestions presented are downright ignorant in terms of game balance. If you make buffs on the lines of some of the suggestions here, MCH will destroy everything on dps.

And I'm sure there will be plenty of other changes asked by other classes that would overpower them as well. It's a suggestion thread, which I doubt SE would follow anyway. This also isn't a MCH only suggestion thread. All classes are welcome to participate. And we aren't exactly destroying people. I get beaten by good, equally geared drgs, mnks, and blms fairly regularly.

Yeah, MCH can be REALLY hard to play. Most classes you can recover from a mistake pretty easily, but with MCH, you rely so much on cooldowns aligning, especially with Wildfire, that one mistake can throw your entire game off. It's one of things I love and hate about the class. It takes skill to play properly, but you're punished pretty hard for any mistake and if you do make a mistake, expect to drop a place or two on the dps charts because of it. It's one of the beefs that I legitimately have with the class. "Whoops... Hit one wrong button during all those AoEs and mechanic changes... Well, we'll lop off 150 dps as punishment. Sucks to be you." Even a DRG or ninja playing less than optimally can recover and won't lose that much dps. We basically have to play perfectly to even keep up with a decently played DRG, ninja or monk.

Originally Posted by Xenitan

complaints about Enochian due to server lag, says it's worse than Mudra lag

Not quite what happens with Mudras the way you describe it. I have casted suiton, seen the water funnel come up on the screen and TA activate, only to have the server say, oh wait, no you didn't, how about a Raiton instead? Oh wait, you're attacking now, how about bunny instead of that Raiton? Now you get no mudra for another 15 seconds and you have lost a ton of dps.

Also other times where you enter Mudra and the button turns grey for like 3 seconds, preventing you from attacking or pressing any other buttons, because if you do, the server will bunny you because you attacked while it was thinking about what Mudra you entered.

There is also lag with Armor Crush (huton refresh) where if you use it with 1-2 seconds left, the server decides you don't get those 30 extra seconds of Huton, despite the attack connecting and visibly doing damage. Then you watch it disbelief as the last 2 seconds of your Huton ticks away.

Imo the suggested change to PB (to keep current form active upon expiration) is a little more complicated than that. During Perfect Balance you don't have a specific form, you have all of them. So there's really no current form to be kept.

Originally Posted by m3eansean

There is also lag with Armor Crush (huton refresh) where if you use it with 1-2 seconds left, the server decides you don't get those 30 extra seconds of Huton, despite the attack connecting and visibly doing damage.

Pretty much the exact same thing can happen to mages. You can lose stacks and it sucks and then you have to do less DPS until you can get them back again. I've also had the "you did damage, it's in the combat log, but the game said "meh" situation.

I never said Black Mages had it worse than ninjas. From sheer volume, ninjas have it way worse. I may have been passionate, and it might have come off that way, but all I'm saying is that Black Mages have their own ways lag screws with them, similar to ninjas, in ways that ultimately are different from what happens to ninjas and it's pretty frustrating. The Flare thing is especially bad. The problem is that it used to be good, and then they changed it for reasons that no longer apply.

Imagine, say, Ninjas had a way to attack during mudras, but (for the sake of this thought experiment) only if the game somehow could see the future and knew you were casting Huton. And so they fix it, as they probably should have for 2.0, but in doing so, they made the mudra lag much worse. Then Heavensward comes around and you get armor crush so you're never really using Huton unless something went horribly wrong (I'm much less familiar with 3.0 ninjas, but I'm guessing that's probably the case). That change to mudras seems much more silly then, huh?