Leveling a Dragoon after Heavensward - Bye bye Immerson! (MASSIVE SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Ryans]

I would love some more substance in your critique. Saying "I don't understand what you're trying to say" is a little but... vague. It makes it difficult to respond, because I don't necessarily know what to respond to. I suppose I will try to outline my thoughts:


1) Content should not be gated behind 3.0 story, because the same arguement that 2.0 content "Appeared in the past" on Dragoon, can be used to likewise say that the story of 2.0-2.55 "occured in the past." It's like watching the prequel to a movie (Even though 9/10 times that creates massive plotholes) after watching the first movie. It should only add to the story.

2) There are noted occurances where cheap excuses are given for things that don't quite make sense by my eye. The summoner being the biggest one I've noticed so far - where before, we fought the primals first and were bathed in their aether through combat, you now have that just being present at Cartaneu (I might be spelling it wrong, sorry) enables you to use Bahamut's Trance.

3) I do not think SE did a bad job. But I do think there are bad decisions made within the game design, which is my biggest thing that I always argue against. There will be various opinions on this, but it is what it is.

Fuck man, the only realistic way you are going to get what you want is if SE required you to complete ALL pertinent previous expansion content before you get access to the next expansion. MMOs are a lot more massive than a movie or single player video game franchise. You can either get basic, glossed over reason for why your character can do something or not let your character do it at all.

The job quests have been out since 1.0. It has been over 5 years in Eorzean time. Just be glad you can still do the quests. If it was a single player game, you would have lost access to Dragoon or some stupid shit.

[SDaemon]

Yeah I met her in the main quest but I had met her already in my summoner quests. And she was all bitchy and didnt say hi.
Maybe im not cool enough to be her friend around other people :c

Really? You must have had something weird happen, because when I did that part of the MSQ Y'mthira recognized who I was and addressed me as such.

See above: Make a new story that allows you to do the quests that can be done in any order in any order without internal consistency errors. It's not like this is some crazy new standard I'm asking for, it's pretty much the minimum.

minimum from where? where exactly are you pulling this from? time bubbles are actually very common when you have expansions that take place over an extended period of time (in game).

[Aegis]

Really? You must have had something weird happen, because when I did that part of the MSQ Y'mthira recognized who I was and addressed me as such.



minimum from where? where exactly are you pulling this from? time bubbles are actually very common when you have expansions that take place over an extended period of time (in game).

Well, SE managed 5 Expansions and 6 mini-expansions over 13 years for their last game and didn't make continuity errors like this. Making a continuity mistake and trying to hand-wave it away with some weird time-travel logic (seriously? flash-backs, time-bubbles? wtf) is just a lazy way of saying "We didn't think of continuity or we did, but we didn't care". I just hold the dev team to a higher standard than most of you guys it seems.

Keep settling for less and less it what you will get.

[CodeCass]

Also I did get summoner to 50 pre-HW and Y'mithra totally recognized me.

Got to this point last night. SMN was my original main that I got to 50 last year when I first started out, and I got text from both Tataru and Y'mhitra that the latter and I both knew each other previously. When Tataru is asking me to go find her, she says something to the effect of "Oh, so you've met her before? That makes things so much easier...". And when first talking to Y'mhitra she greeted me by name and welcomed me back, "Ah, Deucalion, it's good to see you again. What brings you here?" (Or something along those lines).

[Israacf]

I only did the first Drg quest, and he recognised me and acknowledged me as his friend lol

[SDaemon]

Well, SE managed 5 Expansions and 6 mini-expansions over 13 years for their last game and didn't make continuity errors like this. Making a continuity mistake and trying to hand-wave it away with some weird time-travel logic (seriously? flash-backs, time-bubbles? wtf) is just a lazy way of saying "We didn't think of continuity or we did, but we didn't care". I just hold the dev team to a higher standard than most of you guys it seems.

Keep settling for less and less it what you will get.

[Talraen]

FFXI avoided continuity errors by not including characters whose status quo ever changed in sidequests. (Or, in the case of the Shantotto expansion, having exceedingly lame excuses for NPCs remaining in place when they shouldn't.) It would be a waste of effort to account for every possibility, so if you want continuity, it means that any character that appears in any non-MSQ quest can never, ever die or have their status significantly changed. I'm willing to accept story contradictions to avoid that.