WAR DPS WiTH 150 PENTA SLAYING GEAR 800DPS

[Seshayn]

Actually, the Siren thinking is all tanks should be wearing full slaying and be in dps mode at all times with all 35 points in Strength and healers should never dps because tank dps is OMGSOGOODLOL. I am not saying there is never a call for STR to be used by a tank, I am saying that the general thinking I have seen on these boards and my server has been incredibly vocal about OMG STRENGTH EVERYWHERE. I never fail to see an overzealous warrior/dark knight tank the floor because they thought they were mlg pro, and then blame the healers for not keeping them alive.

If you're sacrificing 5 vit for 120 Str? Hell yeah, that's a solid trade, who wouldn't take that? I can only recount a couple dozen times when I was brought down to 1-72 health. I can however recall times where that was the case. Rarely, but it does happen. And yes, I would make that trade of 5 vit for 120 str.

[Jayjohn]

Then you are clearly supporting the OP's point. A DRK/PLD can not easily out dps a War (with less strength and more survive-ability), and this is an additional supporting example that it is a better off tank than either of the others. This point is already widely accepted.

800 dps without slashing debuff on ilvl180 STR Acc for DRK

You do know pentamelded 150s are rated around ilvl 200+ right?

But I digress, the point I am trying to make it is that WARs are not that far ahead in dps. I will say their burst DPS rivals that of DPS classes.

[YoloSwaggins]

800 dps without slashing debuff on ilvl180 STR Acc for DRK

You do know pentamelded 150s are rated around ilvl 200+ right?

But I digress, the point I am trying to make it is that WARs are not that far ahead in dps. I will say their burst DPS rivals that of DPS classes.

Your argument of rating i150 pentamelds at i200+ is wrong when comparing them to your DRK. They're much better than i180 Str/Vit mixing from a tanking perspective, but you're comparing your i180 slaying accessories on a DRK to a WAR hitting a dummy with i150 STR accessories. That's all they are, i150 STR accessories with some Vit slapped on them.

[Badkarma]

I took some time off from FF14 and recently returned after a year long hiatus. Been back a good 3 months now, and I have to say what I have seen that has become acceptable for tanks in this short time sickens me. The thought of someone in a tank role putting points into or even gearing strength (outside of pentamelding str accessories with vit/parry or vit accessories with str) is atrocious. Did this happen because most tanks got bored actually doing their job? Was it because dps got so awful that the extra dps was needed? Did you just start absolutely hating your healers?

The fact that any warrior would choose STR over VIT sickens me. To see you favor a stat so mathematically wrong for your class just makes me sad. You will always be meatheads to me because of this incredible fascination with your dps.

Vitality is life. Literally.

I'm not sure if you're a troll or just very dumb

[VargasVermillion]

Any tests on where the tanks are at with damage with equal gear/stats etc? It's already a given WAR has the best burst out of the 3.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Any tests on where the tanks are at with damage with equal gear/stats etc? It's already a given WAR has the best burst out of the 3.

While hardly rigorous, I did 3 quick tests. 35/35 STR; Hive weapon; Gordian head, legs, feet, and ring; Asuran for the rest (all slaying). No food, party, or potion.

PLD: ~830; 7% crit; bottomed out of TP at ~2:40
DRK: ~890; 11% crit; pre-cast Dark Arts; bottomed out of TP at ~2:10; EDIT: Adjusting for missing Scourge tics brings the total to ~913. Ran a second test of ~885 after adjustment.
WAR: ~960; 19% crit; pre-cast Infuriate > Vengeance; limitless TP; ended test at ~4:45

DRK and WAR tests were slightly above average, based on my experience. EDIT: The DRK test, in particular, had 3 out of 9 DA Souleaters crit.

[stoxastic]

While hardly rigorous, I did 3 quick tests. 35/35 STR; Hive weapon; Gordian head, legs, feet, and ring; Asuran for the rest (all slaying). No food, party, or potion.

PLD: ~830; 7% crit; bottomed out of TP at ~2:40
DRK: ~890; 11% crit; pre-cast Dark Arts; bottomed out of TP at ~2:10
WAR: ~960; 19% crit; pre-cast Infuriate > Vengeance; limitless TP; ended test at ~4:45

DRK and WAR tests were slightly above average, based on my experience.

Do PLD/DRK numbers include slashing debuff?

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Do PLD/DRK numbers include slashing debuff?

No.

/10chars

[MythToken]

While hardly rigorous, I did 3 quick tests. 35/35 STR; Hive weapon; Gordian head, legs, feet, and ring; Asuran for the rest (all slaying). No food, party, or potion.

PLD: ~830; 7% crit; bottomed out of TP at ~2:40
DRK: ~890; 11% crit; pre-cast Dark Arts; bottomed out of TP at ~2:10
WAR: ~960; 19% crit; pre-cast Infuriate > Vengeance; limitless TP; ended test at ~4:45

DRK and WAR tests were slightly above average, based on my experience.

While hardly a ton of data, i think one thing is clear WAR has the advantage in TP consumption but quite a lot.
And since most fights are >2:10 , War has a clear advantage in sustained DPS.
We will pull even further ahead of PLD and DRK as the fight goes on.

[Ipkonfig]

There aren't fights that bottom you out of TP yet.

Worth mentioning that ACT currently doesn't parse DRK correctly so any numbers you see are higher than what they appear to be.