Why do Tanks get a bad Rep?

[fireslash]

As a tank ,some SOME dps (veterans) dont know the different mechanic of different tanks , they tend to hit mobs which are not aggroed by the tank ,they early pull mobs before tank thus making it difficult for tank to reaggro i witnessed peopel with ilv130+ gears doing such acts so i dont count them as newbies , of course good tanks will tolerate and resolve the issue before anyone dies with no hate or quarrel involved. in 8 man party when i was a younglin in tanking i get scolded by the MT :3 . in the end of the day all will thank each other as the instance ends no matter what happened . the main point as far as there are worse tanks , there are much worse dps in terms of mentality , incompetence does not lie on tanks only .. this in terms of technicality or on how to deal with new guys or mechanics-poorly informed players .

and no matter how bad a tank u are or a dps or a healer i ll be forgiving and have endless tolerance

we should give em courses

[nuyu11]

Mostly in Masamune not much talk, So I cant hate Tank here like I do in EU/NA data center. Mechanic at dungeon is easy after few run you can understand by yourself. I never have any experience getting wipe more than 2 times in dungeon, so I'm not sure why people so stress about dungeons.

In 8-24 content just vote abandon after few wipe that's all...
I don't mind DPS queue time, I got lots other stuff that I can do. I start to enjoy other content like crafting, beast tribe quest wile waiting for my queue.

[Yutsimaki]

A background on my Tanking method.....
I pull 6-12 Mobs when we start to test healer and DPS. If we all die I take things slow, and steady. But if we lived I'll pull group of mobs depending on healers limits.
I make sure ALL the mobs are distant from healer and facing away from everyone. I immediately pull any mob that attacks DPS or Heals and Cover them incase mob ignores me. Get loads of commendations and request to help alot!

I don't like ordering people or giving advice unless they need help.

[Keldeo]

I believe there is a place for correction and guidance especially if someone is doing something clearly wrong. On that note, there is also a way to say it extremely friendly and in a positive way. Some people who aren't as "emotional or WOO" will definitely say it in a way that could put you off. It's all in your approach. If someone knows you care then they should take that to heart. Admit your mistakes first before coaching though IMO.

[Eidolon]

A background on my Tanking method.....
I pull 6-12 Mobs when we start to test healer and DPS. If we all die I take things slow, and steady. But if we lived I'll pull group of mobs depending on healers limits.

IMO, rather than "Testing" DPS, you should only perform this test if the composition is appropriate for the party.

If I have a DRG+BRD, or a MNK+BRD, or a MCH+DRG, etc etc... basically non-mage classes / weaker AoE classes on limited resources, I'm not going to pull crazy. I'm going to keep my pulls small. This allows the healer to add more DPS to the fights and allows me, myself, to jump into DPS stance more consistently.

All doing big pulls with single-target based classes does is exhaust your healer's MP keeping you up for the duration of it. a SMN/BLM in the mix can help out on these AoE pulls, and that is where I might test it, but without those classes? I likely will keep it smaller to encourage faster kill rates instead of bigger mob pulls.

[Laerune]

They get bad rep for two things, imo:

1* New tanks who fail at their job, which makes players think that alot of tanks are bad players who are tanking to avoid a long queue.
2* Tanks who think all should obey them, they will force the players to do what they want or else they will leave the group. This one is the most common one, imo.

The first point can be fixed, by letting those tanks make mistakes. Mistakes might be bad for the other members, but for the tanks and everyone in general, mistakes give us the tools to improve ourselves. If you see a tank failing, ask him if he wants some advice and provide it in a respectfull manner. Often I have seen tanks getting advice from other players in a condscending manner, which inturn demeans the tanks and makes them not listen to any advices, including those from players who mean well.

The second point can be fixed very easly aswell. The only reason why these type of tanks can get away with their douchebaggery, is because they know that players are in a rush and dont want to wait for 5-10 minutes for a new tank. If we want to get rid of these behavior then we need to agree that when this happens, we should all stand toghter and kick the tank. Finishing a dungeon takes a team effort, the tank keeps the monsters away, the dps kill them and the healer keeps the players alive. Players who do not understand this, have no place in a mmorpg, imo.

[Odstarva]

I'm okay with awful tanks, makes me look like a god in comparison!


On a serious note, I just don't know. I didn't know how bad some tanks were until I started healing - and as a Dark Knight, there is nothing worse than seeing DKs not using grit / darkside on dungeon runs, or just ignoring their buffs. It's all a matter of opinion and choice I realize that, but I really think it's better that they tank and let the healer dps when there are windows rather than pretending they are a dps class...

[Kolaina]

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all of this. as bard when my dps partner is a melee, my tp gets exhausted with consistent large pulls. paeon or not, especially as battle voice has no effect on the caster.
as healer when the party composition has no caster, the longer the fight drags on, you (the tank) start to run out of defensive cool downs assuming you popped more than 1 (please pop more if you still have a large pack). this results in heavier sustained heals, my own healer buffs probably down and now my resources are nearly diminished.
just because you have the hp pool to take a few hits from half the floor, doesnt mean its efficient.

[nuyu11]

Last night I queue roulette and we got Snowcloak, we have one newbie DRG, she watch cutscene and ignore most of the mechanic. She die twice at Fenrir yet nobody say a words, what I feel is hilarious seeing her so excited DPS the bos even everyone is hiding behind the pillar. The content is not hard they will learn it later, that is what I think and I do with all HW content, so far I haven't watch any video yet. Just go blindly and figure it out later.

[SuddenStorm8]

I unfortunately see tanks like this more often than I would like, not saying that other rolls aren't capable of this too (as a PLD I once had a healer trying to get me to multi-pull Satasha NM with a PUG and LNR as DPS who have literally no AOE at that lvl)

The most stand out experience I've had with this was a WAR who decided to pull 4 groups of mobs in Amdapor Keep with me (A BRD at the time) and a newbie ilvl50ish DRG. As BRD does when using AOE I burnt through all my TP very quickly even with invigorate so I activated Armys Paeon to restore my TP (and the TP of the DRG who had been spamming AOE attacks too) only to be called a "retard" by the tank and told he could "Manage his own TP", then when I told him it was for myself he told me to "get invigorate" after which I decided to ignore him completely. Later in the dungeon he apologized for his bad mood but the damage had been done already and I didn't care what ha had to say anymore.

Some very good points form Eidolon-Sama you should go back and read if you haven't already.

^ This yes please, don't pull big groups if you have 2 MNKs or something as your DPS, I mean really just think about what the composition of your group can handle.