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  1. #1
    Player
    Gallus's Avatar
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    Vermilion Rose
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 100

    You can look WM and BRD from this perspective.

    It is a fact WM adds to the BRD job a degree of complexity it never had in the expansion (you literally had 4 GCD skills in your entire rotation -.-). No offense...but there wasn't much difference between a very good BRD and an ok BRD in ARR provided they both dodged stuff and sang.

    However, in 3.0 it is a 100% fact there will be a far wider difference between good BRDs and bad BRDs. And this isn't a personal opinion, it's a pretty obvious fact.

    Knowing which phases of the fight require you to move and appropriately turn off minuette and in which phases of the fight you can go dummy mode and unleash all your fury with minuette will drastically separate good BRDs from bad ones and give this job FAR more depth than it had before (it had none...). Your BRD derps will no longer consist on missing that bloodletter nobody even noticed; now, things like turning on minuette in say Ravana EX when the balls pop up and start chasing you will result in a harsh DPS loss, but same goes for the opposite, not turning it on at all will also result in a harsh DPS loss.
    I don't know about BRD players but I personally welcome every change that adds a greater degree of complexity to my job and allows me to stand out from the other players. Take this as a chance to shine in a job you never could in the first place because let's face it...it never required too much thought.
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    KyteStones's Avatar
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    Vergil Savickas
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    This is still being talked about? :/
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    Rosenthal Hogire
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KyteStones View Post
    This is still being talked about? :/
    Yes sir—it is. And you best believe the legions of Minuet haters will be here soon. Prepare yourself, the Bards are coming. . .
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    Than Mazus
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    Cactuar
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR View Post
    Yes sir—it is. And you best believe the legions of Minuet haters will be here soon. Prepare yourself, the Bards are coming. . .
    Discussion? On forums?!

    The humanity.
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    Sakura Kinakina
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Act a good bard played there songs according to what was going on and needed a bad bard just try to dps and ignore there songs. But i guess in your eyes playing songs and knowing when to do them and use them was something no body notice? yeaa rightt i'm all for WM but saying bard had nothing to do in ARR is a bit ignorant.
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    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Teladi Bishop
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Skill level does not matter to me. A class being hard or easy does not matter to many people. The bottom line is what is fun for that person or not.

    I always find it funny that people want classes to be harder, Or worry about skill gaps from decent to good players. Why such pointless competition? I would argue the other way around. Some classes SHOULD be simpler. We should have classes that are tough, but fun for people who like it. We should have classes that are simple and fun for them as well.
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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    The bottom line is what is fun for that person or not.
    That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
    Where's this fun factor you speak of?
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    UBERHAXED's Avatar
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
    Where's this fun factor you speak of?
    That s what I was trying to figure out. They have 4 skills 3 of which they press about every 20 seconds. Where is this fun? Running around in circles pressing heavy shot while watching netflix? I've been playing bard since launch and still don't know what people talking about when they talk about "playstyle".
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    Video Games
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
    Where's this fun factor you speak of?
    I mean I'm not exactly against Minuet but bards had 10 OGCD skills in addition to those GCDs so you're argument is kinda' worthless and misleading, as well as spreading misinformation. You should probably think before you post in the future.
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    Player
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Atmora View Post
    I mean I'm not exactly against Minuet but bards had 10 OGCD skills in addition to those GCDs so you're argument is kinda' worthless and misleading, as well as spreading misinformation. You should probably think before you post in the future.
    Not spreading misinformation, single target wise it was exactly as I described (which is BRD in 90% of the relevant scenarios). For trash pulls (and the rarely bunch of mobs from certain coil turns), it was as hard as spamming wide volley with the occasional rain of death. Counting Ballad, Paeon and Foe as GCD skills from a BRD's actual rotation? Might as well say that protect is part of a WHM's rotation.
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    Last edited by Gallus; 07-12-2015 at 06:15 AM.

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