New crafting rotations

[Roth_Trailfinder]

35 is exactly the same as 40 durability, provided you are not using WN or WNII.
If you are using WN/WNII: its still exactly the same if you use an even amount of touches during the buff (2,4,6,8), otherwise you will have 1 less durability loss move to perform.


As such 35 dura recipes can be considered a direct nerf to WN 'durability skipping'.
Not sure why, WN was rarely used anyway.

My 35 and 40 durability rotations are exactly the same. The ONLY difference is in the 1 Synth to finish.

1 Synth to finish :
40 Durability - Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Waste Not, Steady Hand 2, Hasty Touch, hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Byregot's Finisher, Careful Synth 2.
35 Durability - Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Byregot's finisher, Careful Synth 2.

2 Synth to finish :
Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Careful Synth 2, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Byregot's finisher, Careful Synth 2.

3 Synth to finish :
Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Careful Synth 2, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Careful Synth 2, Hasty Touch, Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Hasty Touch, Byregot's Finisher, Careful Synth 2.

Now, these are not macro'able because of Tricks of the Trade and Precise Touch. I will not take a Tricks while I've got WN or SH2 running, but I WILL use the Tricks that I can take to replace those Goods/Excellents with Precise Touch, or if no such opportunity presents itself, to replace the last Hasty Touch(es) with Basic touch(es). Also, on the 3 Synth to finish pattern, the timing of that middle CS2 varies depending upon condition. If I get an Excellent right off the bat, I'll use the CS2 on the following Poor. If the third move after WN is Good, I'll Hasty/Precise and use the CS2 on the fourth move.

If people remember what they did prior to the "Macro Craze", they won't have any problems crafting the stuff now. If they don't know, or never learned how to craft by hand, there's no time like the present to learn.

[Waeksyn]

One thing I'm learning on the way to 60 is that macros are evil. You really need to drive your crafting yourself, especially now with skills like precise touch.

Rotations can be very easy to create for yourself. You first need to know how to 100% finish the progress of the craft in the minimum number of moves. Once that is done, you then manage your CP around creating the most opportunities for building control stacks for Byregot's.

Once you have the rotation, then you need to drive. Know when a ToT can be done without affecting critical buffs. Know when you can do a precise touch to get that sweet extra stack of control.

The difficult thing for me is the first step - determining what you need to do to 100% reliably finish the craft progress. I used to use http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/ but it hasn't been updated with HW changes.

Does anyone have a link to the math behind crafting? In particular, the math behind progress. Once you know that, you just optimize for the max number of control stacks. Knowing the math behind quality helps determine what initial quality you need.

[AnimaS]

I see alot of unnecessary stuff here....... I'vemelded my bis gear aside from offhands and mainhands to get721 crafts 688 control.....

I never get to refresh Comfort Zone . Flat out easy..... CZ IQ (TOT) STII (good/ex precise touch manage CP!) hasty touches otherwise ....... MM1, repeat if you want another IQ stack or two and have 200CP just STII hasty 3 times MM1 (ifSTII runs out at15 just hasty it) odds areyou may get a TOT for CP, close it with *8*stacks on 90% of my 40/35/durability crafts from 0to100% with innovation and Byregots after great strides regaardless of good.688 Control = 100%quality in 8 stacks

[AnimaS]

get these stats you are on the easy road.... 720+ crafts 680+ Control and meldCP on everything you can...... Precise touch allows you 8 to 11 stacks in a small amount of steps; with these stats 8 inner quiet will 100%HQ anything on the level of Chimerical Felt, Ampheptere Leather etc .. 70 Durability you want to usually Muscle Memory start your rotation, Rapid, hasty / precise ........ MMII at 10 careful II basic touch/ precise touch to 20 finish it and careful 2 to complete. easy as cake.

[lordparanoia]

Guys how are you using the new abilities and special skills to craft new items?
I'm culinarian lvl 59 I would optimize my rotation to get HQ food without using HQ materials,
can you help me please?

[AnimaS]

did you read what i just posted? in addition, get all cross skills. k CZ IQ ......... (assuming you have the craftsmanship) Careful II ...... HASTY ALL NORMAL, PRECISE ALL GOOD/EXCELLENT TRICKS ALL GOOD/EXCELLENT @ 10 or NEAR THE END IF YOU NEED CP.

When hitting 10 Durability (after you make sure one caerfull II will finish and using hasty/precise touches) masters mend ; and repeat this till you have 8 to 11 inner quiet stacks ........ you need 20 Durability to finish STII most be up, Great Strides (IF GOOD/EXCELLENT BYRRGOTS) . innovation .... Byregots blessing FINISH HERE WITH CAREFULL SYNTHESIS II

[Mayoyama]

I started HW with lucis for all crafts and fully melded artisans and found myself able to basically use the same rotations I have always used.

40/35 durability I used a lucis hand in rotation, just making sure to keep in mind how much progress I got from a synthesis (alternating between rapid>CS2 and CS2>CS2 depending on the synth). WARNING: CP heavy

Basically it goes CZ, IQ, SH2 3x hasty, master mend.... repeat, making sure to tricks every good/excellent proc, and refreshing CZ once after the first CZ wears off. This has never failed me in being able to HQ (short of RNG being a cow and failing all my hasty)
When you hit around 100CP left, do a BB finisher. I did tend to do the rapid at the beginning if I needed one to ensure it wouldn't blow up in my face at the end.

70 durability I have used the 4* rotation (no WN/WN2) with a modified start depending again on how much progress was needed vs amount gained. I found usually either rapid>rapid>CS2 or rapid>CS2>CS2 was sufficient. I've stopped using PbP for everything except lv60 1* furnishings as I usually get the same amount from a rapid, without the CP cost.

Biggest piece of advice I can give regarding progress and not ending up short (if you are really unsure and not comfortable/confident in winging it): have reclaim set and do a rapid and note down how much progress it gives, then do a CS2 and note down that value. Reclaim and blow the item up. Now, knowing how much progress you get, you can figure out (mathematically) how many progress steps you need to make items of that level. You may also wish to note down the values given with Ing2+rapid/CS2 if you are really short on craftsmanship (in which case, you may want to look at upgrading your gear some to make it easier on yourself)

OR.. just leave an extra step at the end in case your CS2 doesn't quite finish.

Any crafters on behemoth wanting help/gear made.. feel free to send me a tell and I'll help if I am able/not too busy

[MN_14]

Biggest piece of advice I can give regarding progress and not ending up short (if you are really unsure and not comfortable/confident in winging it): have reclaim set and do a rapid and note down how much progress it gives, then do a CS2 and note down that value.

I think you can calculate the effectiveness of CS2 based on the amount of progress that rapid synthesis gives. For a new craft, I always use rapid synthesis first and then take note of the progress gain. CS2 can be calculated by dividing that amount by 2.5 and then multiplying by 1.2. This is, of course, assuming that you're using RS and CS2 under the same conditions (eg. with or without ingenuity 2, etc).

When working with new types of recipes that I'm unfamiliar with, I usually keep a calculator on hand.

[chidarake]

one thing I will say is that you don't need a rotation for any of the new recipes. a guideline sure but rotation no.

35dur recipes can be pretty much guaranteed from nq mats at my current stats and im not fully melded bis just yet or probs will bother with melds.

70 dur recipes is easy you can use 5x cs2 if you want at no cp cost or use some cp and reduce the progress steps down a few. but really its not needed as precise touch makes getting 11 stacks crazy easy and any good after getting 11stacks will 100% for sure and if excellent youlll get quality pushes well beyond 15k

all current recipes can be done without needing comfort zone or any crazy tricks to hq. heck id say you can even practically use basic touch every time to get the stacks and not worry to much but id have to test that alittle when im in bis before saying so for definite.

if you know how to craft this current stuff is a joke to hq in unmelded bis and without food. you want need more wiggle room use food and hq mats and meld that gear.

[lordparanoia]

I'm having some troubles crafting lvl 60 food HQ with nq ingredients, can you share yoour rotation for 80 Durability recipes?