Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[duceTRE]

Yeah, I see Akasha's point now. Ideally you don't even want PB to last any longer than your 5 buffs anyway so you can get straight into your main rotation...thanks to the extended GL duration we now no longer need that refresh from Snap Punch having opened with Form Shift. Opening with Form Shift gives us an extra PB move but it's rather unnecessary. I tried Bootshine like I said earlier in the topic, but that also delays the application of Touch that normally follows PB dropping off, which is bad since we also applied GL3 sooner by starting with Form Shift. And at 613 SkS I couldn't quite fit both Bootshine and Touch in afterwards (maybe with Arrow card / Fey Wind?)...even then I have no idea if that extra Boot crit would result in a DPS gain without tests.

Try using Deep Fried Okeanis maybe? Gives a bigger SkS boost than Morel Salad. See if using that food helps in squeezing in that Boot.

[scx]

Do I have to do this every time....

[Allyrion]

Do I have to do this every time....

That chart is meaningless since it only applies if you add SP at the end of PB.
That will mess up the DK and TS timers. You don't need to do that with the change.

Don't waste time on SP after DK and TS. No one is suggesting that anyway.

[scx]

Then you can not keep GL3 up. Dude, do some testing before you make claims, it's that easy.
And if you wanna SP/anything before DK / TW then that's a pure potency loss.

[Allyrion]

Then you can not keep GL3 up. Dude, do some testing before you make claims, it's that easy.
And if you wanna SP/anything before DK / TW then that's a pure potency loss.

I already tested it. You won't lose GL3.
Are you just completely misunderstanding?
I'm not arguing which PB sequence is definitely the highest potency anyway.

I'm saying that whichever you pick, you can use form shift to optimize it.
I tested your rotation and I tested it with form shift. You can include FR before TW and DK falls off.
The timing is exactly the same but PB is weaved into the GCD instead.

Adding an extra SP at the start would make everything in your PB phase stronger.
Testing it seems like a dps increase.
But even if you choose not to do that, you would still use Form Shift because it can only quicken your opener regardless of which you choose to do.

Then that means Form Shift isn't necessary. You can use it, but what's the point? If you're more comfortable that way, go for it.



No, it is exactly the same.

It isn't, because PB has an animation delay.
ST > DM (PB) > SP > SP
is more optimized than
ST > PB > DM > SP > SP

There's a reason you don't use off GCDs when the GCD is up if you can help it.
There is an animation delay no matter if you refuse to accept it. So Form Shift will always let PB be weaved in like an oGCD should be.

It's not going to break your dps, but if we're talking optimal then there's no reason not to do that unless you just don't want the hassle.

[scx]

No, adding a SP at the start is a waste of a gcd after obtaining GL3, which you do exactly the same way I do.
Which is any variation of DM->SP->SP. Exactly the same. Form Shift doesnt matter. Additional SP don't matter.
If you weave PB or not doesn't matter either, the assumption is that you hit your first move on pull & then every gcd after.
Maybe I'm just not getting what you're trying to say, if so I'm sorry. Would help if you recorded or provided some math.

Edit: I see. The misunderstanding comes from this: I personally do not use ST at the start, it is more optimized to walk in with the tank (pull macro) and hit DM as soon as he pulls.

So yes,

ST > DM (PB) > SP > SP
is more optimized than
ST > PB > DM > SP > SP

is correct.

[yillin]

Do I have to do this every time....

What formula are you using for anything past DK, because I can't seem to duplicate any numbers past that? Also are you aware that the first table uses 190 as the potency for SP?

[scx]

...

Yes, I am aware of that. Seems like I fucked up when I copied from an old spreadsheet and didn't check every row. Fixed it.


I treat DK as 1.09 modifier (value doesn't matter for comparison as long as it's consistent), for dots only for the initial hit and not the dot ticks. I am ignoring crits/stance/pot.

Some observations: If you clip demolish you might lose a tick, but it will still be the higher potency opener.
I suggest using FC before DM, since it still slightly clips for some. Also not having 626 skillspeed like I did in the video helps.
If you clip at < 3 secs, it depends on server tick.

The openers are close on terms of potency, but I think every bit of potency during a high burst phase is important.
Also I'm happy we got the discussion going here

[Sigmakan]

I think he's proposing ToD when PB is still up. It would basically be the same thing as the first rotation you posted.

[scx]

Then that means Form Shift isn't necessary. You can use it, but what's the point? If you're more comfortable that way, go for it.

That would still be nothing but more efficient than what you have, but I don't think that's the most optimal.

No, it is exactly the same.