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    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    However im barely breaking 1000k dps (30 seconds during the hand of pain segment of fight, my dps is around 1500-1600 however quickly falls and the average isnt helped at all really) from start to add phase (where at present we wipe)
    We killed it last week, and I ended the double hand phase close to 1400 dps @ i202. We obviously used drac pots in the beginning, though I don't use RB on the double hands due to TP issues later on. I can provide a video if you want.
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    [QUOTE=Snip[/QUOTE]
    Hi Kaos, as a fellow progressive A3S Monk (my group stuck at last phase 15%), would like to share a bit of my experience :
    1. At hand of pain phase, u said u're dps is about 1500-1600 which i believe you are fine (higher than mine at least which floating at 1350-1450 without RB)
    2. I believe your problem starts at adds phase. Did u start with PB right after the first adds comes out? After that try to keep up with your GL and i don't use TOD and Demo since from what i see it's faster to kill without Dots. EF and HF when you got the chance to hit 2 adds at the same time. Provided you didn't lose GL, i believe dps normally floats about 1000-1200, depending on mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    Yeah it does sky rocket my acc and SS by a lot. So u think I'd benifit more with 190 gloves and feet? And by a huge dpS lost? Yeah atm I don't do savage but I still like getting big sustain numbers.
    Honestly its up to you. I dont think you will see much difference between the two.. Better crit with the i190 gear though. You can always mix and match as well. Other thing is if you dont plan to do savage at all is get the i200 anyway since we might get the items for upgrades for them when 3.1 comes out.

    @kaos

    Unfortunately im only to the hand of pain part so i can't comment on add phase but this phase is where we will see a big drop on our dps. For 1 thing we lose gl and the wait for adds to appear.. 1 thing i can say is just make sure you stack meditation and dont be afraid to use FC. Sorry for the lack of info.

    Zamii was organising to have a video up for us from his runs but he hasnt mentioned anything if he did em last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monchkinz View Post
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    No worries, but the thing is at the start of the add phase im at like 1030dps and i know more is possible I wants to be an awesome MNK that the BRD sing about 9with TP and Haste song) for all eternity lol
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    do you have a video?

    I'm going to assume you know rotations, so;

    1) Do you shoulder tackle back after wash away?

    2) Do you still get your positionals during hand phase and stack for the swipe? Although, if you're i202, you're group probably doesn't need you to stack.

    3) Are you holding buffs for concentration? Again, if you're i202, your group probably doesn't need you to.

    4) Are you using rocking breaker when your tanks bring the hands together?

    5) Use pots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scum View Post
    do you have a video?

    I'm going to assume you know rotations, so;

    1) Do you shoulder tackle back after wash away?
    Yup, this is essential as i grab the first debuff off tanks unless i have the damage debuff

    2) Do you still get your positionals during hand phase and stack for the swipe? Although, if you're i202, you're group probably doesn't need you to stack.
    If DRk is using living dead, yes, if not they prefer me to stay stacked though this is something i raised yesterday as something i shouldn't be doing at this phase regardless.
    3) Are you holding buffs for concentration? Again, if you're i202, your group probably doesn't need you to.
    Will need to now
    4) Are you using rocking breaker when your tanks bring the hands together?
    No. Should i be using RB instead of SP at this point?
    5) Use pots.
    At present we are not using pots
    Responded within quotes to your QQ

    Additionally after one member left and we had to reassign positions, we have had a set back some some no longer are geared as they should be so stacking now is required.
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    Take a look at this if you want some reference. My clear from today. Things may align differently because of the arrow card as we were fucking around with Astro today. If I was to do it better I'd refresh demolish on the other hand but my group isn't scraping through hand of pain so your experience may vary depending on your groups gear and raid DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GageRage View Post
    Take a look at this if you want some reference. My clear from today. Things may align differently because of the arrow card as we were fucking around with Astro today. If I was to do it better I'd refresh demolish on the other hand but my group isn't scraping through hand of pain so your experience may vary depending on your groups gear and raid DPS.
    That video is awesome. And clears a lot up about my short coming, So it seems, MNK's attack both when possible regardless. See during the Hand of Pain, we are urged to not even touch the other hand. Especially now with the job switches, we are barely making the dps check again :/ Ill forward this video to my static and hopefully we can try something like this as that makes it seem a lot easier. Easier than what we doing anyway. Ill get a recording of my next attempt and put it up on YT for you. Thanks for all the support all. Very grateful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    Thanks for all the support all. Very grateful!
    No problem at all!

    The attacking of both hands is probably more so when you've got this content on farm or pushing for a kill and need to make up dmg in the first 2 phases. Don't worry too much about double dotting till that push is comfortable. Do notice however that the second wash away I'm at {demolish} in my combo and apply that to the stationary hand then move back to the hand I've been assigned (DRG, BRD - Limb) (MNK, SMN - Liquid). You always want to try bait the Palm mechanic as well (achieved by spreading the hands further apart after wash away) which will allow you to refresh demolish on the Limb before Equal Concentration and the hand of pain mechanic. There are many things you can do with the split hands to gain dps but this is how I usually handle it and there's probably more optimal ways to do it.
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    What are your dps on a dummy? Gonna parse myself again todaya nd see what i get. Be nice to compare with you all
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