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    Ricdeau's Avatar
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    Ricdeau Cyton
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    Gilgamesh
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    Monk Lv 60
    Well I know Dervy was working on, but I'm not sure if he ran into a problem where he needed more info or just hasn't had time to work on it much. I guess to save everyone double work we find out where he's at with it, and then revisit what to do next.
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyHirose View Post
    I can re-do monk weights no sweat. What I don't have is:

    - proper damage formulas for monk
    - an adequately attested formula for the skill speed buff on DoTs

    Everything else is pretty much up-to-date (there wasn't a whole lot that changed...).
    =((Potency/100)*(1+WD*0.0432544)*(STR*0.1027246)*(1+DET/7290)*BUFFS)-2

    This, so far, is the most accurate model I can get for the Monk.

    As for skillspeed on Dots... I'm currently using:

    =base_dmg*((SS-354)/7722+1)
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  3. 08-29-2015 06:59 AM

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    SunnyHirose's Avatar
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    Sunny Hirose
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Double work can only help if you ask me. This is one way we've discovered errors and potential refinements in the models before.
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    Zami Terrechant
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    Tonberry
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    Monk Lv 60
    i feel like i should still point out, it is possible for you to avoid frontal hits in A3s, regardless of strat, if you know the timing for the cleaves perfectly.

    A4s is also possible to avoid using frontal cap if you are not one of the people that tanks one of the small jagd dolls, which being monks lose the most dps on them over any other class, it makes sence not to be tanking them as a monk.

    i'll be messing around with flank cap later tonight in A4s, but the flank cap for A3s is either 584 or 585.
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    Enma Hellbringer
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    Sephirot
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    Alchemist Lv 70
    Hey guys just messing around with the opener again and this is what I came up with.. My main concern is when applying the last DM, animation starts for the DM and BFB falls off before the dot applies to the dummy... does this mean the dot is not buffed by BFB? if people can clarify this for me I would redo the opener again.

    PB > SP > SP > BFB > DM > IR > DK > STEEL PEAK > TS > HOWLING FIST > TOD > ELIXIR FIELD > BS > FC > TrS > ST > SP > DK > TS > DM (DM ANIMATION STARTS BFB FALLS OFF BEFORE DOT APPLIES).

    PS: I didnt add xpot in this rotation since I barely use them but for arguments sake probably put it somewhere where it can still buff the last DM

    EDIT: I forgot to mention I updated the opener part of the guide. Ossom and Lilyth if you don't mind me adding your current openers. If you do please just let me know and I will take it down.

    Update: Accuracy cap. thank you dervy. Added new openers.

    EDIT 2: I had someone test it in ACT seems like the DoTs are still buffed. At least the outgoing dot damage are the same so I'm guessing its buffed.
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    Last edited by monchkinz; 08-29-2015 at 01:10 PM.

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    Leona Dawnstar
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    Malboro
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by monchkinz View Post
    Hey guys just messing around with the opener again and this is what I came up with.. My main concern is when applying the last DM, animation starts for the DM and BFB falls off before the dot applies to the dummy... does this mean the dot is not buffed by BFB? if people can clarify this for me I would redo the opener again.

    PB > SP > SP > BFB > DM > IR > DK > STEEL PEAK > TS > HOWLING FIST > TOD > ELIXIR FIELD > BS > FC > TrS > ST > SP > DK > TS > DM (DM ANIMATION STARTS BFB FALLS OFF BEFORE DOT APPLIES).
    This is why Lilyth has B4B after DM. With her rotation B4B wears right when you do bootshine, so you get Demo buffed with b4b and Xpot, but not with IR.
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    Enma Hellbringer
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    Alchemist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro View Post
    This is why Lilyth has B4B after DM. With her rotation B4B wears right when you do bootshine, so you get Demo buffed with b4b and Xpot, but not with IR.
    Im guessing it depends on ss, but according to my tests, the dm is still getting the buff from bfb.. Very tight opening though i must say xd

    Edit: i also put bfb before dm because i wanted both dm to be buffed

    @butcherboy
    Do you mean just for the opener or the whole rotation?

    EDIT 2: after a few tests it seems Ossom's opener is spiking higher than my suggested opener and spiking a tad bit higher than lilyth's.
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    Last edited by monchkinz; 08-29-2015 at 11:57 PM.

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    Commodore Butcherboy
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    Cactuar
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    @Monchi yeah both openers and 3+min sustain if you ran it. I'm sry for being a pain. I run on ps4.
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    Enma Hellbringer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    @Monchi yeah both openers and 3+min sustain if you ran it. I'm sry for being a pain. I run on ps4.
    Sustain will be the same around 1250-1300 depending on crit. As for the opener,like i said earlier they spike around the same damage but ossom's a tad higher but estimated at 1800+ and will be at around 20sec mark instead of 15sec for lilyth's. I'm only i192 since i missed some eso early due to rl stuff.
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