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    Miru West
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    @Hakmatic so even if we do come up to DRG lvl DPS it still want be enough due to utility in Mantra/DK just isn't enough? Understandable.

    @Leozhan not downing your skill or anything but there's no way anything but another DRG will beat a DRG. This is all in terms of competent DPS who know the fights thru and thru. Like I said nothing against your skill but it does leave me to question the skill of DRGs you group with.
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    Zami Terrechant
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiruWest View Post
    @Hakmatic so even if we do come up to DRG lvl DPS it still want be enough due to utility in Mantra/DK just isn't enough? Understandable.
    top tier DRG can do ~100 more dps than top tier monks right now in dummy-esk fights, now then, add to that disembowl, which we can give another 100 dps to since its increasing your bard or machinists dps by roughly that much, add to that battle litany and it becomes even more obsurd.
    lets say battle litany gives the dps an extra 30 dps each, and the tanks an extra 20 dps each, even discounting healer dps, battle litany is an extra 160 dps just from that.

    drg is effectively outputting an extra 360 dps over monks right now, roughly 33% more than a monk
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    Last edited by Zamii; 07-15-2015 at 03:26 AM.

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    finally someone who understands something about dps... i sell ravanas as a monk so fights usually end up longer than usual, but to give you some #s my best run was 893 dps at 7 mins 30seconds, literally playing perfectly with food no pot, i got every FC,TK and even got lucky and crit 3x times with that as well as hitting multiple butteflies + ravana with elixir field + howling fist, and thats the dps i got, on the other hand a goon friend who got hit with the slow, and not esunaed managed to get 930+ dps... so let me ask you why the hell do i need to play perfectly to do less dps than someone who can mess up? and if youre wondering yes, i saved all FCs for attack stance (all the ones that needed to be saved at least)
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    Last edited by ncx24; 07-15-2015 at 03:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncx24 View Post
    finally someone who understands something about dps... i sell ravanas as a monk so fights usually end up longer than usual, but to give you some #s my best run was 893 dps at 7 mins 30seconds, literally playing perfectly with food no pot, i got every FC,TK and even got lucky and crit 3x times with that as well as hitting multiple butteflies + ravana with elixir field + howling fist, and thats the dps i got, on the other hand a goon friend who got hit with the slow, and not esunaed managed to get 930+ dps... so let me ask you why the hell do i need to play perfectly to do less dps than someone who can mess up? and if youre wondering yes, i saved all FCs for attack stance (all the ones that needed to be saved at least)
    Don't forget that said DRG also contributed more utility to the raid without having to sacrifice his damage to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tila View Post
    Don't forget that said DRG also contributed more utility to the raid without having to sacrifice his damage to do so.
    you just had to remind me <.<, it use to be monks were less damage because the utility we brought, but now that drk are out and monk dragon kick and an int debuff can be had elsewhere all we really bring is a mantra of 30% heal, although it does synergize well, its not enough to warrant such a dps hit in end game content now
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    I think it's more just how the DRG class is setup atm. They get a 290 potency skill every 4th combo given they hit the positional. That on top of the flat damage buff for the Jumps just puts them ahead. Where as NIN can do Raiton what twice in a min? That's if your not getting crapped on by mudra lag then it's Fuma. MNK truly only got EF every 30 secs since FC is maybe once or twice a fight?

    DRG just have more constant damage vs all the other melee who have timers on there damage.

    MNK is still good just unless some stuff is changed they want beat out a DRG at this current time.
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    Oh yeh forgot its 1.5sec per med. So yes you can stack 3 per sp and maybe 2 if you just demo.. never happend to me so i never had done it.
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    I think I'm doing something horribly wrong.

    I went from being my statics top DPS to being almost consistently last now.

    My ilvl is 180 without a Ravana weapon and in A1 I was only pulling 666 on our last kill.

    The opening I use is the one in the topic and pretty much was already using all the tips for A1 stated.

    I'm just confused because it's not like I'm doing anything inherently wrong but to pull such low DPS I must be =\
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan2EZ View Post
    I think I'm doing something horribly wrong.

    I went from being my statics top DPS to being almost consistently last now.

    My ilvl is 180 without a Ravana weapon and in A1 I was only pulling 666 on our last kill.

    The opening I use is the one in the topic and pretty much was already using all the tips for A1 stated.

    I'm just confused because it's not like I'm doing anything inherently wrong but to pull such low DPS I must be =\
    you just need to learn the fight, i lied, hahaha so i thought you meant ravana, GG but yeah a1 is fairly fun, after the missle explodes you have 2~3 globals before you need to tornado kick or else you will lose the chance to also save your elixir field or at least howling fist for when the adds spawn that way you get to hit 3x things with a howling first or elixir field
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    Last edited by ncx24; 07-15-2015 at 12:07 PM.

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    A1, like many 3.0 fights, is extremely group based, if your group cant put out mad deeps, then your not gonna be looking so top tier either, that said, you havent exactly given us a lot of info to go on, so its a little hard to tell
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