Thread: Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

Monk AoE is amazing in 3.0 and is actually only surpased by SMN I think that should be common knowledge by now.

Originally Posted by Ririndo

So... About Monk 3.0 AoE.. Has the word of Monks being amazing in AoE still not spread out?

Yesterday on a A2 run, ppl were trying to force me to get on the walker because and I quote "monk has shitty aoe"
Thanks to Invigorate + Puri I have almost none TP issues there (only last phase where I have to use 2x Chakra after every GL refresh so I can use puri again) ofc if there is an AST present the TP issue is gone.

But Im kinda wondering, since in A2 I can easly compete with BLM (Ninja, DRG, MCN and BRD AoE are nothing compared to me) and the only class that is unreachable is SMN but thats not a suprise. So yeah, have I always been with failers in the group and Monk AoE isnt that great..?

It's probably a mixture of bad MNK's and players just living in the past...

I've been told many times to go into the walker because "MNK have shitty DPS in this fight"... But I've just told them to give me a chance 1 run, then they can look at my DPS and decide if I'm doing the least or not. Usually blow everyone out of the water, and so far I've only been challenged by 1 or 2 SMNs.

If played better, other jobs will ofc be closer, and at least SMN should be ahead by a lot, but otherwise MNK does good AoE damage in a longer fight like that, because you can't spam AoE skills without losing all TP, and Elixir Field + Howling Fist does a lot of damage without costing TP.

Eh, saying Monk AOE is amazing isn't quite accurate. PB isn't something you can use frequently enough to seriously consider it. The DPS in something like A2 comes from the fact that AOE is built into our single target rotation. If you're doing 1500 dps, 1300 of that is still single target. Even in dungeons where you're just doing your rotation with rockbreaker spam half your damage is single target. If a tank chain-pulls in a dungeon you're still not keeping up with a BLM and their infinite mana.

Sorry if it's a stupid question -- I'm new to MNK, but is there a rotation/priory? Basically what does MNK do for maximum AoE.

Originally Posted by Laur1x

Sorry if it's a stupid question -- I'm new to MNK, but is there a rotation/priory? Basically what does MNK do for maximum AoE.

If you can afford to burn all your TP (like it's going to be a very short pull), Twin Snakes -> Rockbreaker - Perfect Balance - Rockbreaker X5, mixing in a Howling Fist and Elixir Field in there somewhere. Preferably have BfB and IR up as well. This can lead to some ridiculously high burst AOE damage, but it leaves you drained and unable to be of much help if the fight's going to continue on for much longer.

If you need to burn TP more slowly (like consistent trash pulls in dungeons), you replace Snap Punch and Demolish with Rockbreaker, depending on how many enemies (RB > SP if it hits even 2, RB > Demo at 3 targets.) Make sure you got enough TP for this, as you will still run yourself dry pretty quick.

If it's more of a "cleave" than an "AOE" (like 2-3 targets who will live for a bit), just do your normal rotation but put Demolish on the other targets instead of using Snap Punch on your main target. This is also good if TP is going to be a concern, which is true for longer fights, and yes, that includes Purify. It's outright impossible to keep your TP up for long using Rockbreaker every combo unless a brd/mch/ast is feeding you TP, or the fight is short.

Elixir Field really helps to carry our AOE, and since it's part of your single target rotation it's quite nice. Just make sure you position yourself appropriately for maximum EF and HF targets.

Arm of the Destroyer sucks compared to Bootshine unless you're hitting 5 targets (4 if you have IR active), but even then it'll leave you TP drained incredibly fast. Overall it's not worth messing with.

Originally Posted by Humorless

Eh, saying Monk AOE is amazing isn't quite accurate. PB isn't something you can use frequently enough to seriously consider it. The DPS in something like A2 comes from the fact that AOE is built into our single target rotation. If you're doing 1500 dps, 1300 of that is still single target. Even in dungeons where you're just doing your rotation with rockbreaker spam half your damage is single target. If a tank chain-pulls in a dungeon you're still not keeping up with a BLM and their infinite mana.

Pretty much. With PB we can pull out massive AoE within those 10 seconds, but after that we have nowhere near the AoE as the other classes. Which explains why we're usually told to get onto the gobwalker for the bombs (not that I mind, I find it fun).

i'll be totally honest, when my group got to A2, i didnt even run on monk, i went to my significantly lesser geared summoner (i173 vs i189)
monk has ok AoE, but its far from sustainable.

Monk AoE is slightly better than the other melee dps IMO, but I guess one could argue that the utility the other 2 mdps bring on a fight like A2 savage is more useful, also not really OT, but @Atreides what is that GIF from.