Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

**dragonflie** · 07-27-2015 09:37 AM

As someone on Sav A1, I'd like to add that Foresight lowers the dmg of Prey on me from around 3.4k to about 2.3k a hit (it hits 6 times). I've tried keen flurry also, and noticed that it never parried once, even with 40%. It's possible the move is not affected by parry. I've yet to put much use to bloodbath (how much does it heal usually for you guys?)

**Sleigh** · 07-27-2015 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by dragonflie

As someone on Sav A1, I'd like to add that Foresight lowers the dmg of Prey on me from around 3.4k to about 2.3k a hit (it hits 6 times). I've tried keen flurry also, and noticed that it never parried once, even with 40%. It's possible the move is not affected by parry. I've yet to put much use to bloodbath (how much does it heal usually for you guys?)

I'm inclined to believe you had a Succor on the 2.3k hit. Foresight shouldn't have that type of mitigation, in any situation, unless it's seriously stronger at level 60 defense than in ARR.

**Powercow** · 07-27-2015 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Sleigh

I'm inclined to believe you had a Succor on the 2.3k hit. Foresight shouldn't have that type of mitigation, in any situation, unless it's seriously stronger at level 60 defense than in ARR.

Foresight for tanks is floating around a ~12% damage reduction on physical attacks, last I checked. I seriously doubt that it somehow reduces damage taken for monks by 30%. Foresight + fists of earth and the boss having Eye for an Eye or Virus or something would make sense.

**Humorless** · 07-27-2015 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by dragonflie

As someone on Sav A1, I'd like to add that Foresight lowers the dmg of Prey on me from around 3.4k to about 2.3k a hit (it hits 6 times). I've tried keen flurry also, and noticed that it never parried once, even with 40%. It's possible the move is not affected by parry. I've yet to put much use to bloodbath (how much does it heal usually for you guys?)

Bloodbath is amazing. You heal for 300-400 per skill plus about 100 from autoattacks. Over the 15s it adds up to 3k+ HP healed without cooldowns. If you happen to use it when IR/HF/EF are up you'll get a ton of HP back. You get to be somewhat careless in A2 savage and get cleaved by a doll without healers yelling at you.

**Craiger** · 07-27-2015 05:34 PM

If there are adds, Mercy Stroke is very good, and even if there are none, why wouldn't you use it? It's free damage, and there are nothing else to cross class that's does anything useful.

Foresight does almost nothing for you, and in most cases that tiny amount of increased defense doesn't even get used. Using it in dungeons when tanks fail is a pretty lame excuse... It won't make a big difference even there actually, and why not change it to Mercy Stroke when raiding if you really want Foresight in dungeons?

Also, yeah, Bloodbath should be used a lot more by players... It together with Second Wind can save you from certain death in a lot of situations.

**Ririndo** · 07-28-2015 01:46 AM

So... About Monk 3.0 AoE.. Has the word of Monks being amazing in AoE still not spread out?

Yesterday on a A2 run, ppl were trying to force me to get on the walker because and I quote "monk has shitty aoe"
Thanks to Invigorate + Puri I have almost none TP issues there (only last phase where I have to use 2x Chakra after every GL refresh so I can use puri again) ofc if there is an AST present the TP issue is gone.

But Im kinda wondering, since in A2 I can easly compete with BLM (Ninja, DRG, MCN and BRD AoE are nothing compared to me) and the only class that is unreachable is SMN but thats not a suprise. So yeah, have I always been with failers in the group and Monk AoE isnt that great..?

**Craiger** · 07-28-2015 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Ririndo

So... About Monk 3.0 AoE.. Has the word of Monks being amazing in AoE still not spread out?

Yesterday on a A2 run, ppl were trying to force me to get on the walker because and I quote "monk has shitty aoe"
Thanks to Invigorate + Puri I have almost none TP issues there (only last phase where I have to use 2x Chakra after every GL refresh so I can use puri again) ofc if there is an AST present the TP issue is gone.

But Im kinda wondering, since in A2 I can easly compete with BLM (Ninja, DRG, MCN and BRD AoE are nothing compared to me) and the only class that is unreachable is SMN but thats not a suprise. So yeah, have I always been with failers in the group and Monk AoE isnt that great..?

It's probably a mixture of bad MNK's and players just living in the past...

I've been told many times to go into the walker because "MNK have shitty DPS in this fight"... But I've just told them to give me a chance 1 run, then they can look at my DPS and decide if I'm doing the least or not. Usually blow everyone out of the water, and so far I've only been challenged by 1 or 2 SMNs.

If played better, other jobs will ofc be closer, and at least SMN should be ahead by a lot, but otherwise MNK does good AoE damage in a longer fight like that, because you can't spam AoE skills without losing all TP, and Elixir Field + Howling Fist does a lot of damage without costing TP.

**Hitoseijuro** · 07-29-2015 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Ririndo

But Im kinda wondering, since in A2 I can easly compete with BLM (Ninja, DRG, MCN and BRD AoE are nothing compared to me) and the only class that is unreachable is SMN but thats not a suprise. So yeah, have I always been with failers in the group and Monk AoE isnt that great..?

No, monk should be pretty much beating out all the jobs on A2, aside from smn, and easily able to keep up with blm if not beat out a blm. Make sure to ride your invigorate timers and only use chakra for purification(ride that timer too). You should have no problem doing over 1100+(mileage will vary depending on how good the group is and group buffs) dps in that raid. I would only use PB+rockbreaker spam if you have a brd and is currently putting up paeon for a few tics as you'll run your tp sustain dry otherwise.

The only problem with monk vs the other jobs currently is that it doesnt offer any group offensive buffs.

**Spartan117** · 08-03-2015 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I've seen a lot of tanks who are bad enough to where I steal aggro constantly in dungeons, or the tank dies and I end up having to serve as backup tank long enough for the tank to get rezzed. Foresight is for those moments. Plus I actually forget to use it when I actually have Mercy Stroke on.

I haven't started doing Savage mode yet, the FC leader's subscription is currently up and he doesn't get paid until later this week. I'll probably start using it then...but that's only if people are good, otherwise we'll never get that low. Such as those 2 weeks of trying to clear Bismarck EX, where the only time I ever saw under 20% was the one attempt where we cleared it.

Originally Posted by dragonflie

As someone on Sav A1, I'd like to add that Foresight lowers the dmg of Prey on me from around 3.4k to about 2.3k a hit (it hits 6 times). I've tried keen flurry also, and noticed that it never parried once, even with 40%. It's possible the move is not affected by parry. I've yet to put much use to bloodbath (how much does it heal usually for you guys?)

Sorry for necrophilia.

@ Ryu I would not advise sacrificing a good cross class just because others are bad. Don't make bad people make you bad either. Mercy Stroke has a lot of uses in normal dungeons and it's not like it's going to cost your life tanking a few mobs if the tank is a herp derp. In the case of normal dungeon bosses, just throttle when the tank is bad at emnity generation or gently remind him to use his 1 2 3 combi all the time (whichever the class he is). He has one job that is to tank, you have one job that is to dps, don't try to do both. Same application for raids. If your tank is going to die, say in A1 Savage, that foresight is not ever going to save your party from wiping. Just like final coil gave us I'm too good, you just need to Get Gud Faust (Get Good First).

@ dragonflie A1S has a strict DPS check pre 3rd week (where every tom dick and harry DPS should get their weapons, i see that Ryu already got his chest first this week, and using law weapon

). Prey is entirely healable by your healers and it's the only damage your raid is taking at that moment. I don't see how that foresight is going to help with your progression. And it's a 25% chance it's going to cast prey on you. Foresight has 0 use if prey fails to target you by the end of the fight. I rather have the extra potency to avoid that nasty 1% enrage.

**dragonflie** · 08-03-2015 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Spartan117

@ dragonflie A1S has a strict DPS check pre 3rd week (where every tom dick and harry DPS should get their weapons, i see that Ryu already got his chest first this week, and using law weapon

). Prey is entirely healable by your healers and it's the only damage your raid is taking at that moment. I don't see how that foresight is going to help with your progression. And it's a 25% chance it's going to cast prey on you. Foresight has 0 use if prey fails to target you by the end of the fight. I rather have the extra potency to avoid that nasty 1% enrage.

I made a later post that you might have missed where I confirmed that Foresight did not work, and I went for Bloodbath.

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