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  1. #1471
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    Ricdeau's Avatar
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    Ricdeau Cyton
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by RocheKat View Post
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    Ugh, the Garuda EX parties when that first came out were so awful for melee. It's so annoying having to deal with the sheep mentality that only XYZ comp can be used, and only ABC strategy will work. So many people show very little effort when it comes to MMOs (maybe gaming in general...) these days it seems. I guess the general line of thinking by many is wait for the first winning strategy, and then that's it...nothing else works! If your class' playstyle doesn't fit that mold then get out!

    It's also funny when the meta changes slightly (new weapons, gear, echo, etc), and then people completely abandon viable ways of doing something because the new way "faster" or whatever else without regard to the composition of the party or party familiarity with the content. Such a roller coaster we live on.
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  2. #1472
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    monchkinz's Avatar
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    Enma Hellbringer
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    Sephirot
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    Alchemist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
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    I'll add this when i get home from work. Thanks ossom. I've just recently downed a5s and unluckily we downed it while i wasnt recording so may need to wait another week or so for the visual guide lol.

    Plus to everyone if your looking for more accurate guide for a3s and a4s i wont be putting that since i never downed the fight due to raid group and latency issues by members. I dont even wana talk about it... If you want to submit your own guide here i will post it.
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  3. #1473
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    MonkDace's Avatar
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    Dacien Chevalier
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 60
    I know that MNK is already all about being the kings of sustained, but anyone find that sometimes you start a fight a little off some nights but then get your act back together and really get in the "zone" and suddenly you plow past everyone else where previously you were lagging behind? Minor note but always curious when it happens to me.
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  4. #1474
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    Zafran's Avatar
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    Zafran Lamanera
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Is it worth it to use PB for damage after opener, or should I just save it in case I need it?
    if its the first, then what would be the highest output duration during PB? (I think this was asked in a previous page, but never was answered)
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  5. #1475
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    Sailysium's Avatar
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    Sailysium Leingod
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    The thing is there are far too few fights that allow you to simply burn off PB mid rotation without the consequence of losing stacks later on due to mechanics. Most like myself will just save it. I haven't practiced much with a set non opener PB but I would probably just go with using a modified opener rotation that replaces the initial snap punches with more crit bootshines or true strikes (note do not try to be fancy using Tornado Kick - it's not worth it). The only other times I recommend using non opener PB is for spamming rock breaker in dungeons or certain guantlet type fights.
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  6. #1476
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    RocheKat's Avatar
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    Klarity Sincerity
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 46
    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    Is it worth it to use PB for damage after opener, or should I just save it in case I need it?
    if its the first, then what would be the highest output duration during PB? (I think this was asked in a previous page, but never was answered)
    I don't do real raids anymore but when I did I liked to save PB. Without fail when I use PB to do extra damage I will get shafted on mechanics and lose GL...
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  7. #1477
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    SunnyHirose's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Sunny Hirose
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 70
    It was a topic of discussion when T8 was current. Most people would agree that the gains are so little (remember, you'd be doing all filler, yet you still have to take care of your buffs and debuffs; anything you slip into a monk rotation comes at the expense of stretching out everything else, plus you have an out-of-form weaponskill afterwards) and the risks are so great, but I believe it can be justified if it comes down to an imminent enrage that looks like a possible win.
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  8. #1478
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    Morzy's Avatar
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    Character
    Morzone Vandalfo
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    Not worth the hassel of burning PB just to offset your buffs n stuff only so you can replace a few abilities with bootshine or true strike.

    Only ever worth it in 4 mans where blowing PB for rockbreakers can shoot my dps to 3k-5k burst.
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  9. #1479
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    Carstien's Avatar
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    Richter Cade
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    Alpha
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by monchkinz View Post
    And as you say this guide is mainly directed to new monks and being new monks I don't want to teach them to ignore mechanics as such when they get to higher level raids, they will fail. Midas normal is a raid which teaches you some of the mechanics for savage. Don't want to teach them bad habits
    Thanks To be fair I mentioned more than once that your healer should be in on it, but it is a massive dps increase on the first boost. On the second you'll probably have pb back so I would rather just Tornado Kick.

    As long as you don't get hit by any more dumb stuff though you can survive the unavoidable damage with 2 stacks.
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  10. #1480
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    PROBOUND's Avatar
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    Character
    Butta Stackz
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    I'd like to get your opinions on 2 BiS sets.
    The first set is Sunny's set which minimizes SS while trying to maximize Crit/Det.

    The second set is from a MNK that recently created a Theorycraft post on High SS MNK. Without getting too much into the whole SS debate, I encourage you all to go read his lenghty post/guide before drawing any conclusions. See for yourself. There is an A8s SSS dummy parse as well which demonstrates his new rotation. This rotation essentially provides relatively the same damage with the added benefit of reducing TP costs. Weather or not this would be worth it in raid type scenarios has yet to be confirmed and its effectiveness may vary from turn to turn.

    *Sets are assuming the acc cap for A8s is roughly between 696~705.

    Low SS High DET: (Steam Staff +70 HP)
    ACC: 702
    CRIT: 938
    DET: 653
    SS: 706

    High SS: (Baked Pipira)
    ACC: 696 (-6)
    CRIT: 1094 (+156)
    DET: 362 (-291)
    SS: 853 (+147)

    I personally favor det over ss, and have come to realize Crit is the only way to go. However alot of the builds i see that maximize Crit have DET levels below 400 and it just seems wrong to me. SS benefits/issues asside, in your opinions is +156 Crit, worth the loss of 291 Det?

    Both have their advantages and dissadvantages. If you had to choose one, which would it be and why.
    Some positives to note: Both sets have the exact same right side accessories while the Low SS left side only differs in the Body (A8s), Gloves and Belt.
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    Last edited by PROBOUND; 03-18-2016 at 10:41 PM.

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