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    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    It dies quickly enough that I don't demolish it; I just snap punch. Internal Release lines up with its spawn for me.
    Are your healers helping with DPS?

    I only use FC on Swindler; if group DPS is high enough on it, you can actually skip double bio-atrithmetics
    No our DPS is extremely low right now in the swindler fight particulary, we're doing pretty nice everywhere else, as we've only beaten the swindler a few times and we've only been able to actually get full raid nights this past weekend. So healers are expected to dps there? I figured as much, right now me and the drg are soloing our monsters, the brd is working on one, and the two tanks are working on the other, the blm is switching from brd to tank.

    A few questions if you don't mind?

    Can I ask what you are doing with PB also? I assume you use it at the start of Blaster/Swindler and just try and get Opo Form for Brawler/Vortexer.

    Also, do you stay on the boss for the first set of adds in Swindler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    No our DPS is extremely low right now in the swindler fight particulary, we're doing pretty nice everywhere else, as we've only beaten the swindler a few times and we've only been able to actually get full raid nights this past weekend. So healers are expected to dps there? I figured as much, right now me and the drg are soloing our monsters, the brd is working on one, and the two tanks are working on the other, the blm is switching from brd to tank.

    A few questions if you don't mind?

    Can I ask what you are doing with PB also? I assume you use it at the start of Blaster/Swindler and just try and get Opo Form for Brawler/Vortexer.

    Also, do you stay on the boss for the first set of adds in Swindler?
    I use PB on Blaster and it's up for Swindler, so I use it on him too.
    I stay on the boss for the first set of adds, since we LB2 them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    Take the 2.0 Opener (don't use form shift at the start), if you start with PB > Snap > Snap > Demo, then before you reapply demo do a fracture. Otherwise if you do Demo > Snap > Snap then after you apply Demo and before you do Dragon Kick, do a Fracture. These are two rotations that I think most people are using. I personally do the former.

    This will lower your burst a bit because you are changing an Early Snap (The last skill you use in PB) into an extremely late Fracture, but it should be a higher DPS plateau and you don't need to do 3 Form Shifts before every pull.
    Some monks I've met said that Fracture isn't really increasing your DPS that much. Also, I'm a bit worried about using it on bosses such as Sephirot EX which are already a huge TP drain even when I'm not using Fracture.

    Could I please take a peek at the exact opener you're using (including the Fracture "placement" of course) just to test it? The thing I'm also looking for is comfort of using the actual opener since I'm on PS4 and I still keep messing up the order of skills after playing 3 different games simultaneously, so anything which does not require using Form Shift in combination with hasty tanks would be more than ideal for me.
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    Last edited by Rebellius555; 03-21-2016 at 12:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebellius555 View Post
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    I also play on PS4. The opener is :

    Perfect Balance > Snap > Snap > Demo > Dragon Kick > Blood 4 Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Bootshine > X-Pot > Touch of Death > Elixir Field > True Strike > Howling Fists > Snap Punch > Steel Peak > Dragon Kick > Shoulder Tackle > Twin Snakes > Forbidden Chakra > Fracture > Demolish > Bootshine

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebellius555 View Post
    Some monks I've met said that Fracture isn't really increasing your DPS that much. Also, I'm a bit worried about using it on bosses such as Sephirot EX which are already a huge TP drain even when I'm not using Fracture.
    I haven't found a fight released in 3.1/3.2 where Fracture has destroyed my DPS to the point where I have had to drop it. The only fights I can recall from 3.0 and beyond where I have had TP issues like that are A3s and A4s. Seph does cut it close if you have bad dps in the first phase, and bad dps at the end of the fight but thats about it.

    You don't have to use fracture, but you're going to start clipping your Demolish's, and fracture is your third strongest skill, after Demolish and Touch of Death as long as one DoT ticks (making it stronger than bootshine).
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    Last edited by Ossom; 03-21-2016 at 05:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    I also play on PS4. The opener is :

    Perfect Balance > Snap > Snap > Demo > Dragon Kick > Blood 4 Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Bootshine > X-Pot > Touch of Death > Elixir Field > True Strike > Howling Fists > Snap Punch > Steel Peak > Dragon Kick > Shoulder Tackle > Twin Snakes > Forbidden Chakra > Fracture > Demolish > Bootshine
    Hello.

    I don't main Monk, but I like to play them.
    I have a couple of quick noob questions, and I'm hoping for some input.

    Perfect Balance - So, the point is to only get your 3 stacks, and then start with Bootshine? Because doing more Snaps is a DPS loss? Does that mean PB should only ever be used as part of an opener and never during the middle of a fight if it becomes available again?

    Placement of IR in this opener right before Bootshine - IR gives a better chance to crit, right? But Bootshine is a guaranteed crit if you hit your behind-positional, right? Therefore, isn't the IR wasted for a GCD if you do it right before Bootshine? The Bootshine is going to crit anyway, so maybe IR after the Bootshine instead to let it go for one for GCD before it falls off? Or has this sort of thing been tested and it doesn't matter anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    The opener is :
    Perfect Balance > Snap > Snap > Demo > Dragon Kick > Blood 4 Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Bootshine > X-Pot > Touch of Death > Elixir Field > True Strike > Howling Fists > Snap Punch > Steel Peak > Dragon Kick > Shoulder Tackle > Twin Snakes > Forbidden Chakra > Fracture > Demolish > Bootshine
    With this current opener how...well 1st what is your progress in A5-8S? So how would you're openers be doing and what would you say a good half of those fights would you be doing dps wise ex: opener like 3k and consistantly: 1800 stuff like that. Also what would your BiS look like? Seems you're opener is about the best looking one here so would just like some info behind it, if possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceInSeoul View Post
    With this current opener how...well 1st what is your progress in A5-8S? So how would you're openers be doing and what would you say a good half of those fights would you be doing dps wise ex: opener like 3k and consistantly: 1800 stuff like that. Also what would your BiS look like? Seems you're opener is about the best looking one here so would just like some info behind it, if possible.
    I don't use my base opener in any of Midan Savage ATM. Small changes and what not to maximize gains. I also unfortunately can't tell you my dps as I play on a PS4 so I can't parse. Finally my group had to switch members around and I think we've lost at least 1-2 raid days every week since 3.2 so we are still at A6s unfortunately.

    This is my 3.2 End game gear goal. I don't call it BiS because its really only supposed to limit SS as much as possible while also keeping Acc reasonably low.

    When it comes to numbers, and what opener is better, I'm definitely not the person to ask. I just wipe a lot so I get to practice doing (And theory crafting) openers more than anything else in this game. To be honest, I don't even really like Monk all that much. I want to main MCH but my static already has a BRD lol.
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    I understand crit is our best stat, but shouldn't we be melding det at some point too regardless of whether our gear can allow more crit melds or not? I'm at like 700 crit and my det in the 500s, and I'm worried that my det is too low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phireblast View Post
    I understand crit is our best stat, but shouldn't we be melding det at some point too regardless of whether our gear can allow more crit melds or not? I'm at like 700 crit and my det in the 500s, and I'm worried that my det is too low.
    If you can fit on crit, do it. The more crit you have the better, even if your det is nonexistant.
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    I have personally seen areas i could have used fracture while in seph ex and didnt because of TP. When DK has 3-5 seconds and demo and tod are 10+ seconds.
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