Thread: Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

In regards to PB in particular, the NA community hasn't reached a consensus on its benefits. The only time I've seen PB + TK usage advocated was in this guide by Akame Sama in Angered.

Originally Posted by Kihra

It's not about active vs. effective DPS. Both use effective DPS. FFLogs excludes overkill by default. The main reason I chose to exclude overkill was that FF actually allows quite a few casts to go off on a mob that is essentially already dead. It's just the way the engine works. It seemed pretty silly to count this damage as legit when really it's just possible because of how laggy the combat engine is.

OK, then overkill in FF is pretty pretty high, because I have a lot of logs currently uploaded and I'm used to see how DPS is much lower in FFLogs than in Overlay, I'm not speaking about ~10 DPS, It's around ~50-70 DPS.

That MNK ends the combat with 1452 DPS in the Overlay, I'm pretty sure that this DPS is gonna be turned into ~1390-1400 DPS in FFLogs. (maybe less than 1390).

That MNK is pretty pretty good, ofc, I checked full video and I got impresed too, but there are a lot of MNKs doing pretty well too in FFLogs, maybe better.

Originally Posted by valsemiel

As far as I know, FFLogs simply adjusts for overkill with maybe 10 or so DPS randomly disappearing on top of that. Therefore, a 1500+ parse in ACT would translate to ~1470-1490 on FFLogs

I assume that you do not usually upload logs to FFLogs, because if You do, you should know that the gap between Overlay and FFLogs is much higher than 10 DPS.

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

OK, then overkill in FF is pretty pretty high, because I have a lot of logs currently uploaded and I'm used to see how DPS is much lower in FFLogs than in Overlay, I'm not speaking about ~10 DPS, It's around ~50-70 DPS.

That MNK ends the combat with 1452 DPS in the Overlay, I'm pretty sure that this DPS is gonna be turned into ~1390-1400 DPS in FFLogs. (maybe less than 1390).

We also have different DoT simulation algorithms. Mine tends to come in a bit lower because it fits to the actual DoT ticks. There has always been something a bit off with ACT's DoT simulation, as the total damage it thinks you deal with DoTs (when added to direct damage) exceeds the health of the mobs, even excluding overkill. Its expected DoT damage always seems to be higher than the real DoT damage done (which ACT ignores).

Originally Posted by Kihra

We also have different DoT simulation algorithms. Mine tends to come in a bit lower because it fits to the actual DoT ticks. There has always been something a bit off with ACT's DoT simulation, as the total damage it thinks you deal with DoTs (when added to direct damage) exceeds the health of the mobs, even excluding overkill. Its expected DoT damage always seems to be higher than the real DoT damage done (which ACT ignores).

I'm interested in any theories/equations/methods you can share on this. Ravahn's method seems perfectly sound, and it seems like it should underestimate since the game's zealous rounding tendencies seem like crit rate and average tick should be underreported. But if the results are off then there's room for improvement :S

(WTB official DoT accumulation display)

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

I assume that you do not usually upload logs to FFLogs, because if You do, you should know that the gap between Overlay and FFLogs is much higher than 10 DPS.

On turns like A1-2, sure depending on how you play. But I've never seen something as ridiculous as 50-70 DPS overkill in A3 and I've logged around 20 kills so far. Also the ~10 DPS I quoted was on top of overkill which is removed from your ACT #s since even if you enable the Include Overkill option on FFLogs, you'll still notice a few DPS missing which as Kihra explained, is due to the difference in calculating DoTs between the two programs.