What 1.0 Did Better...

**Kallera** · 07-14-2015 11:43 PM

The game tries to teach, but it still leaves people hanging without an idea on what to do. Imagine a game where , via some pear symbol that showed up, killed your character unless they did the Konami code. And it doesn't tell you this, it just shows the pear marker and kills you in 8 seconds.

In oyher games this would be bad design. But in a mmoprg, that is a mmorpg mechanic. I do think there are points where it goes too far and either a tooltip or in game notebook for enemy moves could help to facilitate the player figuring out how to apply their role.

**Lanceton** · 07-15-2015 12:44 AM

FF14's graphic is expiring...

I bought a GTX680 for 2.0, which was the best level of graphic card I've ever bought, but 2.0's "graphic" sucked and the investment was completely wasted, should've bought a mainstream card like 660 which is more than enough for 2.0, and even 3.0 now

drop PS3 support and put forth an open world map with HD texture and other performance killing graphic options, bring back 1.0's character customization, and the game will probably succeed wow
as it stands now, the game is on track to become another FF11
but evidences indicate that another FF11 is all SE has hoped for anyway, so let's just wait and see whether FF14 will ever get pass 1m subscription mark...

**Aegis** · 07-15-2015 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lanceton

as it stands now, the game is on track to become another FF11

Seeing as that's the most profitable FF ever made, I imagine they'd be rather pleased with that.

**KisaiTenshi** · 07-15-2015 02:17 AM

Alright... I want to end this idea that FFXIV V1.0 looked or played any better than V2.0 does. Seeing as how V1.0 really can't be played anymore, I have to be a lot more selective...

Let's kill two birds with one stone and also address Miqo'te butts

V1.0 DX9 Maximum settings

V3.0 DX10 Maximum Settings

V3.0 DX9 Maximum Settings

Of note:
Hair styles and Eye colors are not directly transferable between V1.0 and V2.0. For the purpose of staging the screenshots I want you to look at the outfit, because it's the same outfit.

Also when you zoom in:

V1.0 DX9

V3.0 DX10

**VarinaVashai** · 07-15-2015 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Alright... I want to end this idea that FFXIV V1.0 looked or played any better than V2.0 does. Seeing as how V1.0 really can't be played anymore, I have to be a lot more selective...

Let's kill two birds with one stone and also address Miqo'te butts

V1.0 looked better then V2.0. Maybe your computer wasnt able to handle V1.0 and thats why you never got to experience and see that, and im sorry that you didnt.

V2.0 characters proportions have been simplified, to make armor scaling simpler and easier to do. Even though alot of armor on certain races gender look misplaced due to spacing issues. So keep on convincing yourself that 2.0 looks so amazing and 1.0 didnt, it will still be wrong.

**Zyrusticae** · 07-15-2015 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by VarinaVashai

V1.0 looked better then V2.0. Maybe your computer wasnt able to handle V1.0 and thats why you never got to experience and see that, and im sorry that you didnt.

V2.0 characters proportions have been simplified, to make armor scaling simpler and easier to do. Even though alot of armor on certain races gender look misplaced due to spacing issues. So keep on convincing yourself that 2.0 looks so amazing and 1.0 didnt, it will still be wrong.

Again, the only things 1.0 did better were textures and character animation (and a small number of assets, but the difference here is too small to even be worth noting). Everything else was better in 2.0 and indisputably better in 3.0.

If only they'd give us a high-res texture pack and give us back some of those sweet running animations, this silly debate could finally be put to rest...

**VarinaVashai** · 07-15-2015 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

Again, the only things 1.0 did better were textures and character animation (and a small number of assets, but the difference here is too small to even be worth noting). Everything else was better in 2.0 and indisputably better in 3.0.

If only they'd give us a high-res texture pack and give us back some of those sweet running animations, this silly debate could finally be put to rest...

When you say everything you mean what exactly, the combat? the content? you do understand that all the content related to combat is rinse repeat repeat in 2.0 and 3.0 and will forever be the same. And the superior content Fates hunts quests ? those are all quests, fates are quests in the same way as optional quests in swtor, active events in gw2, rifts in well rift. They are quests automaticly accepted and auto completed when done. Hunts are fates without the icon. Superior content yes so superior.

You know there are many games that has this "Superior" "Varied" "Exciting" "thoughtful" content, Wow, Aion, Swtor, Gw2, FFXIV Yoshida edition and so on.
But hey its flashy, there are so much content with different names (even though its all based on the same content type mechanic). And dont forget the instances so many instances eventhough they are all just fundementaly the same, they are instanced content. So thankfully 2.0 brought with it a revamped world that is used for crickets and tumbleweed, not entierly true woops there is the players that love doing fates over and over and over. But very few of them will talk to you i guess bots dont carry a conversation.

**KisaiTenshi** · 07-15-2015 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by VarinaVashai

V1.0 looked better then V2.0. Maybe your computer wasnt able to handle V1.0 and thats why you never got to experience and see that, and im sorry that you didnt.

V2.0 characters proportions have been simplified, to make armor scaling simpler and easier to do. Even though alot of armor on certain races gender look misplaced due to spacing issues. So keep on convincing yourself that 2.0 looks so amazing and 1.0 didnt, it will still be wrong.

V1.0 Mor Dhona - Renevants Toll (Camp)

V3.0 Mor Dhona - Renevants Toll (Camp)

V1.0 Gates of Judgement

V1.0 Gates of Judgement (Ishgard in the background)

V1.0 Bonus pic Ishgard from another character/angle

V3.0 Gates of Judgement

V3.0 Gates of Judgement (Ishgard in the background)

The point I'm trying to make here, is that some of you go "oh the character animations were better"... yeah but the world was not as great as you think it was. V1.0's lighting was actually pretty terrible, and weather/day effects (like the Mor Dhona gloom) were actually terrible.

**Kallera** · 07-15-2015 02:50 AM

You are pretty blind if you think the lack of detail and lighting makes 2.0 look better. It looks fine, but it's not better than 1.0.

By the way, weather effect in mor dhona.

If SE ever gets the idea of a graphical update to this game, I hope they set the bar at 1.0 good.

**Zyrusticae** · 07-15-2015 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kallera

You are pretty blind if you think the lack of detail and lighting makes 2.0 look better. It looks fine, but it's not better than 1.0.

By the way, weather effect in mor dhona.

If SE ever gets the idea of a graphical update to this game, I hope they set the bar at 1.0 good.

We already got our graphical update.

And the game now has better lighting (especially world lighting as it has an actual day/night cycle now versus the half-assed crap that was in 1.0), better post-processing (1.0 bloom was WAY overdone), better AO (HBAO+ is godlike, especially compared to 1.0 AO which had a HUGE performance impact and barely did anything anyway), better shadowing (including self-shadowing), tessellated water, parallax occlusion mapping, screen-space local reflections, actual weather effects, and overall MUCH better performance.

The only thing they have left graphically are, again, the textures and the character animations. Seriously, there is nothing else left. I seriously don't understand you guys when you say 1.0 looked better.

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