Bard and how to fix it.

[Snowaeth]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

[Geardagas]

As for Iron Jaws... our dots are called Venomous and Wind bites.
To me both names fit perfectly.

*sings*
Did you ever knoooow thay you're my heeeeeroooooo

lol you just solved my ocd. Thanks bro

[RyuDragnier]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

Which is why it needs a potency boost. 20 points would work, so you're paying 20 more TP for 20 more potency.

[Shurrikhan]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

But similarly, why should Quick Nock become totally useless? At absolute most WV should be 120 potency, giving it a p:c (potency per TP cost) of .75 compared to QN's .78 (already a truly negligible difference). Or better yet, 115 potency. Anything closer and people would just take QN off their bars completely now that the Bard AoE proc chain is dead. If you're looking for a Stone III kind of upgrade at level 50 (19% cost increase for 24% potency increase), just know that you'll likely never see QN again.

If you want to really see variation given, it'll probably come in the form of a faint nerf to each alongside a proc chance to make the other AoE free or cause bonus damage (the proc from QN for WV perhaps being locked out to when more than 10 yalms or QN-range from the target).

[Snowaeth]

But similarly, why should Quick Nock become totally useless? At absolute most WV should be 120 potency, giving it a p:c (potency per TP cost) of .75 compared to QN's .78 (already a truly negligible difference). Or better yet, 115 potency. Anything closer and people would just take QN off their bars completely now that the Bard AoE proc chain is dead. If you're looking for a Stone III kind of upgrade at level 50 (19% cost increase for 24% potency increase), just know that you'll likely never see QN again.

If you want to really see variation given, it'll probably come in the form of a faint nerf to each alongside a proc chance to make the other AoE free or cause bonus damage (the proc from QN for WV perhaps being locked out to when more than 10 yalms or QN-range from the target).

Think you wanted to qoute Ryu?
I'm all in for changing WV completely, as there is no real need for 2x the same-ish aoe.

[Shurrikhan]

Think you wanted to quote Ryu?
I'm all in for changing WV completely, as there is no real need for 2x the same-ish aoe.

I meant to quote the person who said what I quoted, in this case you. I apologize if it seems I took things out of context at all.

Out of curiosity, how would you change it? Would you want to see two, more different AoEs, have WV replace QN, or replace WV with a different 50 ability?

[Snowaeth]

I meant to quote the person who said what I quoted, in this case you. I apologize if it seems I took things out of context at all.

Out of curiosity, how would you change it? Would you want to see two, more different AoEs, have WV replace QN, or replace WV with a different 50 ability?

I don't see the need for 2 aoe's that just do that, aoe on a GCD.
There are tons of things that bard could do that can be put instead of WV or changed WV into, add piercing vulnerability to it make it single target, make it a high dmg aoe on long cooldown, be as creative as you want, I'm just saying it's no real use in its current state.

[Warlyx]

lower WV to 140 potency , change quick nock to something else.....Mazurka song instant cast 60s CD, selfbuff > next 2 shots are instant cast or for 5s your skills are instant cast.....

Windbite now lowers piercing resistance 10%

[Snowaeth]

lower WV to 140 potency , change quick nock to something else.....Mazurka song instant cast 60s CD, selfbuff > next 2 shots are instant cast or for 5s your skills are instant cast.....

Windbite now lowers piercing resistance 10%

Ah yea that would be even better, making WV cost same as QN and be the default aoe and actually replacing QN instead of WV since in terms of use WV sure is more convenient.

[Daytona360]

I am late to this thread, and I hope I don't repeat something someone has said before.

Disclaimer: I hate WM. The play style change with WM is so abrupt, I stopped playing the game. I have about 100 days left in my subscription and I probably will not renew if BRD remains the same by then.

(SE seems hellbent on nailing people's feet to the ground when they are doing DPS. I won't be surprised if some updates later, there will be a boss that requires players to be in specific positions in order to damage it (Actually it kinda happened already. See Bismarck) ).

Mainly the problem with WM is the cast time - so what if we remove it?
When WM is in effect:
- No cast time on skills
- Auto attack is disabled
- EA and IJ remains locked behind WM
- When a player remains stationary for five seconds, he will gain 1 stack of "Steady Breathing". Can stack up to 4 stacks. Each stack will increase damage by 5%
- Stacks are lost on player movement

Think this may work?