Bard and how to fix it.

[Snowaeth]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

[RyuDragnier]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

Which is why it needs a potency boost. 20 points would work, so you're paying 20 more TP for 20 more potency.

[Shurrikhan]

Can't reply to everything right now.

But just gonna point out to the person mentioning that Wide Volley is not useless.
It is (almost) useless. If you are using Wide Volley (160tp 110 potency) over Quick Nock (140tp 110 potency) you are straight up wasting tp for no gain.
The only time Wide Volley is useful is if you are in a situation where you are unable to position yourself for QN, which is pretty much never.

So yes WV falls pretty much in the same category as Warden's Paeon now.

But similarly, why should Quick Nock become totally useless? At absolute most WV should be 120 potency, giving it a p:c (potency per TP cost) of .75 compared to QN's .78 (already a truly negligible difference). Or better yet, 115 potency. Anything closer and people would just take QN off their bars completely now that the Bard AoE proc chain is dead. If you're looking for a Stone III kind of upgrade at level 50 (19% cost increase for 24% potency increase), just know that you'll likely never see QN again.

If you want to really see variation given, it'll probably come in the form of a faint nerf to each alongside a proc chance to make the other AoE free or cause bonus damage (the proc from QN for WV perhaps being locked out to when more than 10 yalms or QN-range from the target).

[Snowaeth]

But similarly, why should Quick Nock become totally useless? At absolute most WV should be 120 potency, giving it a p:c (potency per TP cost) of .75 compared to QN's .78 (already a truly negligible difference). Or better yet, 115 potency. Anything closer and people would just take QN off their bars completely now that the Bard AoE proc chain is dead. If you're looking for a Stone III kind of upgrade at level 50 (19% cost increase for 24% potency increase), just know that you'll likely never see QN again.

If you want to really see variation given, it'll probably come in the form of a faint nerf to each alongside a proc chance to make the other AoE free or cause bonus damage (the proc from QN for WV perhaps being locked out to when more than 10 yalms or QN-range from the target).

Think you wanted to qoute Ryu?
I'm all in for changing WV completely, as there is no real need for 2x the same-ish aoe.

[Shurrikhan]

Think you wanted to quote Ryu?
I'm all in for changing WV completely, as there is no real need for 2x the same-ish aoe.

I meant to quote the person who said what I quoted, in this case you. I apologize if it seems I took things out of context at all.

Out of curiosity, how would you change it? Would you want to see two, more different AoEs, have WV replace QN, or replace WV with a different 50 ability?

[Snowaeth]

I meant to quote the person who said what I quoted, in this case you. I apologize if it seems I took things out of context at all.

Out of curiosity, how would you change it? Would you want to see two, more different AoEs, have WV replace QN, or replace WV with a different 50 ability?

I don't see the need for 2 aoe's that just do that, aoe on a GCD.
There are tons of things that bard could do that can be put instead of WV or changed WV into, add piercing vulnerability to it make it single target, make it a high dmg aoe on long cooldown, be as creative as you want, I'm just saying it's no real use in its current state.