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    White Mage Lv 90
    is the design of some encounters why we have WM , a class that can move and keep dpsing full throttle ....is a problem no doubt.

    But here we are and WM isnt going away im afraid , so now we need to focus on making WM rotation more fun , and less frustrating....starting with BL/RoD procs.
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    Sen Terrechant
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    is the design of some encounters why we have WM , a class that can move and keep dpsing full throttle ....is a problem no doubt.

    But here we are and WM isnt going away im afraid , so now we need to focus on making WM rotation more fun , and less frustrating....starting with BL/RoD procs.
    With all the mechanics in this game that we have seen thus far, AND the current GCD of 2.5 seconds your 1.5 second cast times are almost nothing to work around. You can pretty much still move and DPS full throttle if you actually pay attention to the fight and mechanics.

    Keep in mind good BLM i the past have been able to DPS almost full throttle on heavy movement fights and they still managed that with 3-4 second cast times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant View Post
    With all the mechanics in this game that we have seen thus far, AND the current GCD of 2.5 seconds your 1.5 second cast times are almost nothing to work around. You can pretty much still move and DPS full throttle if you actually pay attention to the fight and mechanics.

    Keep in mind good BLM i the past have been able to DPS almost full throttle on heavy movement fights and they still managed that with 3-4 second cast times.
    Skill speed exist u know , and if u played BRD u will notice that this 1s is barely noticiable , u are chain casting non stop....even then 1s let u move what? half sidestep atmost

    BLM have instant casts (scathe) and procs that make their nuke instant (firestarter) , or thundercloud , and on top of that swiftcast ...and if they know the boss like the brd, they will use sharpcast (1m CD) to get a guarenteed proc....and keep the rotation going.....i would love to get blm potency attacks too btw

    Nah Brd need to have low dmg by default , low movility because hey not fun allowed....that songs are so awesomeeeee to have outside relevant content....hey i even play foe while im solo...........nah just kidding.
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    Snow Ball
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    Skill speed exist u know , and if u played BRD u will notice that this 1s is barely noticiable , u are chain casting non stop....even then 1s let u move what? half sidestep atmost

    BLM have instant casts (scathe) and procs that make their nuke instant (firestarter) , or thundercloud , and on top of that swiftcast ...and if they know the boss like the brd, they will use sharpcast (1m CD) to get a guarenteed proc....and keep the rotation going.....i would love to get blm potency attacks too btw

    Nah Brd need to have low dmg by default , low movility because hey not fun allowed....that songs are so awesomeeeee to have outside relevant content....hey i even play foe while im solo...........nah just kidding.
    Those people comparing bard to BLM always forget that the BLM kit was designed and balanced for that gameplay, where the bard one wasn't.
    Then the new favorite argument of those people now is to point at high bard parses and telling bards, "look the bards do good damage now everything is fine".

    Well let me explain how that logic works.
    Lets introduce a new class to the game and name it Kick-boxer.
    The Kick-boxer job has 30 abilities that you can use, most of them come with 5seconds cast and 500 potency.
    The Kick-boxer however has a stance that increases the potency of their auto-attacks by 500% and increases their auto-attack speed by 50% making it deal about the same dps as a well played monk, by only using auto-attacks.

    Now the Kick-boxer can not auto-attack while casting their abilities, but because their auto-attacks are so potent they don't need to use their abilities anyway, because they deal the same dmg as well played monks by just using auto-attacks.

    According to the logic of these people this Kick-boxer class is totally fine because: it doesn't matter how it plays and that it can't use any of its abilities, because it parses the same as a well played monk without using any abilities.
    So it doesn't matter that the class is not enjoyable and the abilities are unusable, because once again, it parses the same as a well played top dps.

    So yeah I am getting somewhat tired of those people telling how bards should feel about their class even though they don't play bard themselves.
    Or pointing at some bards parsing high (heck I can parse solid numbers on bard myself, it doesn't mean bard is fine, it only means they covered the flaws by higher potency).

    And I'm not even complaining about playstyle change here, which is a whole different topic.
    I am complaining about the issues with bard skills when WM is active.
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    Last edited by Snowaeth; 07-21-2015 at 06:22 AM.