Bard and how to fix it.

[Snowaeth]

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That's the point of removing potency from Blunt Arrow, so we don't need to weave it in our usual rotation anymore lowering the amount of overal OGCD's used.
You'd still use it in occasions like back in the day T1, T2, T9, Chimera etc, but it would be just like the MCH utility skills with no potency or like BLM Lethargy just a utility skill.
I do however see the use of a little damage on OGCD skills so you could also add the potency of Repelling Shot on top of Blunt Arrow, since Blunt Arrow is the one that flows better.

I am not sure if I understand your Elusive Jump point still.
Dragoons do not come with cast times.
The new use of Repelling would be to be able to finish casts then jump out of the spot on the same cooldown as the BLM Aether Manipulation skill.
It would still be limited in its use since it still pushes you away from the target rather than wherever you want to go.

As for WP, I just don't know what to do with it, there are many ways to make it useful.
It does not look like SE is planning to put a strong skill in that spot and it does seem they want it to be a utility song so I guess something with that in mind.
Which makes the ideas of party wide strong buffs something not likely to happen.

[StouterTaru]

2.55 BRD = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BRD = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

2.55 BLM = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BLM = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

They took the simplest 2 dps and made them hard. OMG my easy job now takes skill to do good damage, and if I ignore new mechanics I do mediocre damage. I think the only way they can "fix" this is by adding a new job that the short bus crew can pull off decent damage with. No combos, no skills, one instant ranged attack, just hit one button repeatedly and dodge telegraphed attacks from a distance.

[Duelle]

I know. Count me all the situations you'd use Blunt Arrow in raids as it should be used? T1, T2... and?

This doesn't say much, other that the devs regrettably have stayed away from interrupt rotations (probably because interrupts are not spread out to enough classes to warrant a raid having that aspect covered).

[AnnietheCat]

I think the only way they can "fix" this is by adding a new job that the short bus crew can pull off decent damage with.

That was rude and unnecessary, and honestly using "short bus people" as an insult for people you don't agree with is childish. No one is telling you to not like the changes, and if you don't have anything useful to add to the conversation you should behave like an adult and leave. Especially since this thread is about fixes to bard and not "insult people because we don't agree on something".

[Snowaeth]

Except you and the others like you are pretending Bard is in some god awful spot. Its pretty much the opposite, if you could pull your head out of your nether regions long enough to look around, you would realize with the changes Bard is in a better spot DPS wise then they ever have been if you can actually play properly.

Heres the other thing, if you cant you might be bad. Good players have already adapted and arent flocking to the forums to demand insane buffs because ermagerd bard FEEELS bad to me.

To begin with, why are you so offended by a thread that has very little to do with you?
If you got something to contribute then please do, if not then I'm not sure what you are doing here with your level 17 archer experience.

This is a discussion on how to improve the playstyle of a class that got drastically changed, resulting in issues that were not there before.
It has very little to do with who is good or bad.
Players like Mr Yaah or even myself can pull quite solid numbers on fights with the new bard.
But pulling good numbers has very little to do with the issues of how the class is played now, which affect good and bad players alike.

Since you are blinded by number output only, the so called buffs we'r asking for are mostly quality of life changes and any resulting number increase from that would be easily tweaked up or down afterward.
So I am not sure why it is that you come here to make an ass out of yourself by calling people bad and contributing absolutely nothing.

2.55 BRD = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BRD = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

2.55 BLM = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BLM = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

They took the simplest 2 dps and made them hard. OMG my easy job now takes skill to do good damage, and if I ignore new mechanics I do mediocre damage. I think the only way they can "fix" this is by adding a new job that the short bus crew can pull off decent damage with. No combos, no skills, one instant ranged attack, just hit one button repeatedly and dodge telegraphed attacks from a distance.

Pretty much everything I wrote above applies to you too.

If you think that you know what you are talking about because your BLM is lvl 60 and Bard has cast times now, you are very much mistaken.
So please go spread your negativity somewhere else and not in a thread trying to discuss improvements to a job you don't even play thus not affecting you whatsoever.

[kalasnikov]

Confirmed. Casters are jealous of bards old freedom and they do whatever they can to have bards remain under cast time and below in dps.

Anyways my suggestion. Enhance the river of blood trait: 30-50% chance when dot DOES not crit, heavy shot/iron jaws can have similiar proc as straight shot has to have no cast times. Or even better: TAKE OFF THE BLOODY CAST TIMES!.

[Warlyx]

they should either remove bloodletters natural cooldown under wm, or deactivate rivers of blood under wm ( to prevent loss of bloodletters )and compensate this loss of damage across our dots and shots. Bard fixed.

or make blood river proc boost the next heavy shot/quick nock for 150 potency (stack max 3)

[Rikkustrife]

2.55 BRD = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BRD = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

2.55 BLM = juggling 2 balls
3.0 BLM = juggling 2 balls and a cleaver

They took the simplest 2 dps and made them hard. OMG my easy job now takes skill to do good damage, and if I ignore new mechanics I do mediocre damage. I think the only way they can "fix" this is by adding a new job that the short bus crew can pull off decent damage with. No combos, no skills, one instant ranged attack, just hit one button repeatedly and dodge telegraphed attacks from a distance.

They made blm more difficult I agree, with bard all they did is make it feel a lot slower, it's not more difficult.

I think the best way to fix bard, if we do have to keep wanderer's minuet, is for every bloodletter proc we get an instant weaponskill, that way there would be no isssue using bloodletter after the next weaponskill

[Sessurea]

or make blood river proc boost the next heavy shot/quick nock for 150 potency (stack max 3)

Sounds good. We could call it "heavier shot"?

[Maero]

Unlike other threads about Bards i think this one actually started with good intentions. So good on you OP