The thread about children playable deleted?

[ScarecrowJames]

Can't go to it any more. Its gone. Why? Is it because of the pedo bear pics?

[Malevicton]

Is it because of the pedo bear pics?

Most likely, yeah

[Belhi]

Its pretty irrelevant. They couldn't make playable children regardless because of Legal issues no matter how much players wanted it. They outright stated that.

[ScarecrowJames]

Its pretty irrelevant. They couldn't make playable children regardless because of Legal issues no matter how much players wanted it. They outright stated that.

meanwhile I can play as Ellie in last of us? or Hope in FF13? Or Link in zelda? I think its more of the Skirts and underwear.

[Zeirnaton]

meanwhile I can play as Ellie in last of us? or Hope in FF13? Or Link in zelda? I think its more of the Skirts and underwear.

you can still see annies panties in league of legends explain that?

[Cendres]

meanwhile I can play as Ellie in last of us? or Hope in FF13? Or Link in zelda? I think its more of the Skirts and underwear.

You can't roleplay these characters doing sexual things though, can you? Maybe in your head, but that's where it stays. This is a virtual world, where you have complete control over your character. Not the same thing. At all.

I think it's weird that every thread about this jumps straight to "pedophilia." Like that's the first thing that everyone thinks of whenever children are mentioned.

Never been creeped on by some random douche in an MMO before? Happens. Used to happen a lot.

[ScarecrowJames]

You can't roleplay these characters doing sexual things though, can you? Maybe in your head, but that's where it stays. This is a virtual world, where you have complete control over your character. Not the same thing. At all.



Never been creeped on by some random douche in an MMO before? Happens. Used to happen a lot.

Role play? Sorry I got friends, good friends with lives going on where they are more engaging instead of making out with a virtual character. But if you want to make out with a virtual character go ahead just make sure you don't expect me to want to be anywhere near you. Role play is fine but when you are looking for some action..well..yesh. I know friends who rp. But they have decent lives to where they wouldn't dream of trying to do dirty deeds. thats just sick and sad.

The idea of saying one could do something is not exactly a good way of saying thats why we shouldn't have this. We shouldn't have knives because someone could stab someone so we better get rid of them too. Someone could like kids so we better get rid of them to? wait wut?

trying to use pedophilia is where you are going wrong with this discussion. Editing clothes to avoid this is where Tera edited the Ellins for NA release. There are plenty of games with kids engaging in violence. The whole thing is fear of it somehow getting restricted in countries. That sounds more plausible than anything. Its not needed to have kids in a game playable. Same as having another race. Lets face it in this games story line your character is essentially a mute like White knight chronicles. Instead of sitting creepily in the background being ignored, people talk to you and they repeat what you supposedly say instead of having a choice or you give a frown/smile. Which is in since Square is forcing your role play on you in the dictated story, unless you go out and role play with other PCS.

[KisaiTenshi]

Its pretty irrelevant. They couldn't make playable children regardless because of Legal issues no matter how much players wanted it. They outright stated that.

This has never been an issue in Mabinogi and it's been available since like 2003. Also it doesn't have blood. Neither does FFXIV.

meanwhile in the nasuverse...

i'm not sure if it was the pedobears or the "look ma, no clothes!" or maybe "why is the WoL a ten-year-old?!? where are their parents?"

Here's a mind breaker for you. You can get gay-married in Mabinogi, as two 10 year old girls or boys. You can also have a family consisting of nothing but 10 year olds.


There is nothing illegal about it. The only reason games shy away from this is because of overbearing "childporn" laws and Roleplayers who take advantage of the fact that the video game is "real enough" for them. I'll post this again:
https://community.secondlife.com/t5/...fe/ba-p/575781

Accusations Regarding Child Pornography in Second Life
by Honored Resident Robin.Linden on ‎05-10-2007 05:32 AM
What’s going on?
On Thursday May 3, we were contacted by German television network, ARD, which had captured images of two avatars, one that resembled an adult male and another that resembled a child, engaged in depicted sexual conduct. Our investigations revealed the users behind these avatars to be a 54-year-old man and a 27-year-old woman. Both were immediately banned from Second Life.

During a subsequent interview with ARD’s Report Mainz documentary on Friday May 4, which aired Monday, the reporter presented photographs that he said were found in Second Life and that appeared to include sexual photographs involving a child.

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The point is, there will always be bad actors, and keeping your game away from them will never be possible. Look at how little of a dent SE makes into getting rid of RMT.

If you give players the option to play as children, the first thing you do is make sure the body is fused with the gear so modders can't "declothe" them. The second thing you do is remove "offensive" emotes that could be misconstrued as sexual acts.

In Mabinogi there was a "pelvic thrust" part of a certain animation, and because you could interrupt all the emotes with another emote by rapidly firing them off, it gave the impression of grinding into other players. There was also a way to interrupt the "resting" animations to make it look like your character was tea-bagging the another player that is sitting down. These kinds of people will always exist.

And quite honestly, being an asshat online has far more reaching negative consequences for your existing and potential future careers, that people who go around spreading "mmololicon" images are likely to get their ass kicked for realsies by anyone who makes that connection in the media to the real person.

[Sorciechan]

Yeah, Mabi is a special case, given the lore (being from another world, has to make a body to enter Mabi, and you can rebirth to a certain age and be thousands of years old), and even then, that's not a good excuse for others to emulate. And, also, I wouldn't use Mabi as an example, given how incompetent NA Nexon is. Or, do I have to point out all the breaking servers, black box characters, duping items... It's no wonder, given the lack of watching their own game, that you see a lot of perverts erping as 10-14 yrs olds. In fact, that's kinda proves SE's point. Why the heck would they want to ruin their game's reputation just after picking it up from near devastation, just for those ppl that rly want to rp as children? It's like giving those "bad actors" more ammuniton. /inb4threadcloses

[KisaiTenshi]

Yeah, Mabi is a special case, given the lore (being from another world, has to make a body to enter Mabi, and you can rebirth to a certain age and be thousands of years old), and even then, that's not a good excuse for others to emulate.

I pointed it out as the only example that defies the "you can't play kids for (legal reason)", most other game developers just don't want to take the risk of their game getting banned because it crosses some culture-legal barrier. Americans are so squeemish about boobs, but Asians are not. Yet Americans see nothing wrong with "sticking a baby in a blender" (this is a metaphor), while nearly every country outside the US is horrified at the level of violence that the US does nothing about, and seems to consider the norm.

Thus it makes little sense to make video games a shallow imitation of real life. I see nothing wrong with a fictional environment letting you do whatever-the-hell-you-want... as long as it's single player. As soon as it's multiplayer, you have to take into consideration that you are playing with other REAL people, and you can't just go around murdering and grinding into everyone. Both Murder and Rape are illegal in real life, but somehow we give gratuitous video game violence a pass while we scream about wanting to censor any sexual content, regardless of consent.

Like I don't really like the "content" of GTA, but I'm willing to give it a pass, because a lot of the criminal stuff you do in it, has immediate direct consequences, and the difficulty scales up rapidly. It's also yet another game with no children in it. Because it would likely get the game banned in more countries. It's violence, period, that gets games banned in other countries, and it's the scale of gratuitous violence that gets it banned. Nothing to do with children.

What is more interesting is why games are censored, by the developer just to sell into certain regions. Many violence and drug references are cut to sell into Australia. To sell into Germany many violence and Nazi-references need to be cut. To sell into Arab nations, violence, religious and sexual references have to be removed, etc. Again, nothing to do with children.

And, also, I wouldn't use Mabi as an example, given how incompetent NA Nexon is.

Nexon NA's incompetence and Nexon KR/JR's incompetence is of the same scale Square-enix is when it comes to monitoring abuse. They are profit-driven corporations, and corporate policy (such as not having anyone working weekends, or outside of banking hours) is why so much hell breaks loose. You simply can not have 3 people per server watching everything. Nexon NA's forums would regularly have people post porn on the weekends because they knew it wouldn't get removed before monday.

A similar pattern exists on the Square-Enix forums, due to low-visibility of the Community Managers. While we don't get porn-sunday threads like Nexon, we do get a LOT of duplicate topic threads, AND, we get a lot of pitchfork threads.