As a male gamer, thank you for not oversexualizing every female NPC

[Zyrusticae]

Do not thank SE for "not oversexualizing" female characters. The fact is, they are just so lazy to create separate skins of armor, so male and female have all the same skins all the way long...
You can create female skins for each armor without showing anything on females... but it requires twice more work for SE.

No. Please, gawd, no!

Gender neutral outfits are a good thing! Creating gendered versions of every outfit just screws over half the population as one version ALWAYS turns out better than the other, not to mention not everyone of a particular sex wants to wear gendered clothing.

It you want more feminine outfits, ask for them, and let them be made for both male AND female characters!
Anything less is sexist and unfair.

[Lewtskie]

Do not thank SE for "not oversexualizing" female characters. The fact is, they are just so lazy to create separate skins of armor, so male and female have all the same skins all the way long...
You can create female skins for each armor without showing anything on females... but it requires twice more work for SE.

Oh no, they still do it plentifully. Uncommon, but you'll still get many sets that have different designs (e.g. The Sharlayan Coats from Gubal). Other example I can include were the caster soldiery set from way back.





Most of the time there's just pieces that modify parts. Sets that have pants for males will often have skirts for females, and other sets like one of the more recent crafting sets takes a sort of vest the male has and turns it into almost a corset-like design for the females.





At the very least, we haven't seen much more of Skin Windows that encircled the AF gear for DRG and MNK. Those were some of the worst offenders as there was no redesigns involved, just cropping out a piece of the armor just to show some skin. Then again, the NIN AF unfortunately did get hit hard with cleavage on the female version, lol.

[Samcaesar]

Actually, nah, keeping on topic here. Putting child-like characters in outfits made for sex appeal is gross end of story, no more discussion with regards to that topic in this thread from me.

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Eeh, I dunno, as a girl, I get a little creeped out, annoyed, and find it a little tiresome (Because so many other games do this >_>) whenever someone is purposefully dressing their girl character in revealing clothing (Like those who tank in bikini tops and such, not necessarily something that just shows off skin in the arms, I normally don't make anything of it, but it's still a good bit annoying. I mean, it's fine to enjoy revealing clothing, but it's just how society works (Hence why things like lingerie can be sold so effectively). Honestly, I agree there should be a large variety of options too, but I find it endlessly irritating whenever the outfits that some "strong warrior killing hordes of monster" looks like something meant clearly for sex appeal and not being protective armor (Or being hyperbolic and going overtly protective with the armor as fantasy tends to do with regards to exaggerating motifs for aesthetic choice). It's doubly irritating whenever the girl's armor is obviously made with different ideas in mind than the boy's version of the same armor. I don't mind it so much whenever we've got options, but I'd personally would love the ability to have some more option for some nice tough, bulking looking armor for my characters who might be the one about to take a beast's claw towards them who are also ranged classes or DoM classes. Ideally I'd think it'd be nice to keep things more practical/overtly protective with the occasional elegant/revealing set for armor, and the reverse for obvious glamour sets (As they normally are basically civilian clothes, but the occasional "Here's an armor set that's a reference to a previous game" one thrown along with it aka the Baron's helm or the two FFXIII sets). It's not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious about the game making more "revealing sets" because 9/10 they're more revealing for girl PCs only, and it's a little immersion breaking when we're suppose to take it seriously as "battle ready" armor.

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Maybe most of the outfit is, but doesn't the girl's set have a weird breast window too, cause pretty sure kunoichi don't have boob windows.

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No one seems to be complaining whenever clothes not meant for fighting doesn't look like armor meant for battle >.>

I mean, I dunno, I find sets like the Demon's Healing set fairly elegant or the one for PVP WHM. I'm not sure how you get the conclusion that "Being covered head to too = no fashion sense", they don't have to be mutually exclusive ideas.
See I dunno I find the Demon's robe of healing

a great example of that (There's also a very nice shirt in Heavensward that I can't remember off the top of my head that'd work just fine with this idea as well). It doesn't go all the way down V neck style, but it does show a good bit of skin around the upper body area, same with stuff like the bunny suit and the one crafting coatee that you mentioned. Heck, as a great example of both "Elegant" and "No skin showing", look at the very ornate and beautiful sets that the various Garlean military leads (Rhitahtyn, Nero, Livia, Gaius).

I'd agree, but change the phrasing to "Don't make every outfit clearly with 'sex appeal' in mind. Don't let that statement prevent you from making more elegant outfits, but don't forget to also make plenty of gear that also very covering and protective." It's all about aesthetics in this game, currently I'd say DoM and ranged classes are far more lacking in the "sets that look protective" over "sets that look elegant and revealing".

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I dunno, I get the want for that, I just wish there were more sets that were covering that didn't look so boring/skin tight. Like I'd kill for some actually metal armor sets for DoM/Ranged classes, because the only thing I can think of at the moment that fits that idea is the Soldiery set for healers (And it's one reskin in Heavensward).

I hope more gear sets get added to the game that suits both out tastes, though.

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I mean, I dunno, there's a difference between just showing off the human body and wearing clothes meant to enhance that sort of sexual appeal, like there's a difference between some girl walking around in a loose tank top and boxers having just woken up, and one wearing lingerie, even if the same amount of skin is being shown. The occasionally belly button and whatever isn't bad per say, but it's a little tacky and all to put on a set of armor meant for battle and see a bunch of skin showing, so personally I'd prefer that sort of stuff stay to casual outfits/glamour gear.

I mean.. It's a little odd to some people if you're wearing basically nothing in snowy areas at night so I don't blame them for raising a brow to it, but I do agree that person should've minded their own business.

I personally really like... putting these in spoilers because of one reason

Lucia's clothes, Y'shtola's older clothes, Alphinaud's new clothes, Yda's clothing is alright ( I like the heavy armor on a fist fighter, just wish she wasn't wearing underwear along with it >_>), Moenbryda (Though I wish she wore some pants too, but w/e)

Can anyone tell me more women in the game in full heavy armor sets? I'm actually having issues trying to think of some though :\

I agree with Y'shtola's nude scene being pretty tasteful, but she was also kinda bathed in blinding light for most of it so she wasn't really nude :P

Holy crap 11058 words x.x

No. Please, gawd, no!

Gender neutral outfits are a good thing! Creating gendered versions of every outfit just screws over half the population as one version ALWAYS turns out better than the other, not to mention not everyone of a particular sex wants to wear gendered clothing.

It you want more feminine outfits, ask for them, and let them be made for both male AND female characters!
Anything less is sexist and unfair.

I really agree with this sentiment. If you don't make gender neutral outfits, you kinda end up screwing over half the population then we get to the whole "Girls have more options than men, what the heck SE" situation that people have been talking about.

[MisterLucie]

This thread is going well.

[Koldhara]

The beauty of this game is that there is a balance and its all in good taste. Personally, i prefer my char to show some skin. The fact that people who like to cover up can is a boon to them and this game. Anything outside of that is moot.

[Atrayl]

I couldn't care less about the "oversexualization" aspect of "skimpy" clothes. My issue is with how it affects my immersion.

I play tanks in MMOs. My tanks wear armor. When I see someone who can tank just as well as my tank while wearing a bikini (aside from corner-cases like Bear Druids in WoW), it negatively affects my immersion.

There's a bit of leeway for rogue and mage characters. Rogues can be dressed for dodging and mobility, though that's still a far cry from a bikini.

Mages...it's never made sense to me for mages to wear only cloth. Even if you have protective Magic, there's obviously a chance that it fails, else you'd be immortal (which is obviously not the case). So you'd still want to be protected in some way, at least as much as the rogue (e.g., not sacrificing any mobility, literally no downside). That said, if the game world is for whatever reason restricting you to cloth, then there's little difference between a robe and a bikini.

[LineageRazor]

I like the fact that, as much debate and natter there is in this thread, the overwhelming agreement seems to be that SE dun good, which I agree with. While it can certainly be improved, there's an enormous amount of freedom for people to dress the way that they want to, whether it be serious, silly, or sexy. Kudos to the SE design team! It's not perfect, but it's SO much better than a lot of other MMO's offer.

And, pertinent to this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jzWLDS5s_Q

[EdwinLi]

I'm glad they didn't add too many revealing cloths into the game though they're now adding more revealing clothes slowly now.

As a male player I prefer a balance because...

1) who in the right mind would have a female fight in a bikini against somthing that can destroy a fully armored thing?

2) Immersion will certainly get me a lot.

3) It is nice to have some fan-service but too much fanservice ruins the value of fan-service.

4) It is always good to have a variety of choices even for different styles and themes.

[Kolsykol]

My main issue is that people seem to act as if bikini armors is the norm, especially outside of Japan... Which it most certainly is NOT.
Not everyone cares about realism or the like, to each his/her own. You only speak for yourself. There is no '' womens spokesperson '' or '' mens spokesperson ''.
Many women actually prefer the ultra sexy armor, and find it to be empowering. They have every right to think so.

If you like it, play games with it.
If you don't, then don't play games with that kind of armor.
I personally don't care about realism that much in fiction. And I actually do enjoy the aesthetical aspect of some of the revealing armor. It has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with aesthetical preference.
I really HATE when people make assumptions about me or other people and put words in my mouth, and proclaim to speak for me and other women.

[Kolsykol]

People are different. Holy shit, *gasp*.
I really like the armor design overall in Realm Reborn. I just like the armor in games like Tera too. I kinda just like it all, but I prefer the Tera armor. It's just a personal opinion, and I have every right to hold that opinion. And shouldn't be judged or attacked for it.
That's really all that I ask for.

I mean. If you're going to go off and claim societal issues and connect it to character designs in video games.
Then citation needed.

Some women find Powergirl to be empowering, others find her to be sexist.
One of my best friends favorite character is Ivy from Soul Calibur.

It's quite amusing to me too. How we're all up in arms about boobs. But okay with men running around on open battlefields only wearing leather short shorts, lol.