Parry is useless. Can we change it?

[Ceodore]

Making parry increase damage would be super dumb. That being said, yall who say its useful should actually play a tank because it's the single most useless tank stat there is. Even moreso post-nerfs - before then, at least you could get parry up to >20%. It just scales so incredibly poorly for such a RNG benefit that it's pretty much always a waste.

I agree it needs some sort of buff or change, but making it increase damage is definitely not that change. Maybe just have it also add a small amount of damage reduction to help it achieve its intended function.

Bingo! Someone with intelligence. You understand exactly what I am getting at. Parry needs reworked to be a stronger defensive stat, not an offensive one, especially since it just make more logical sense. Exactly as you said, Parry should effect both the rate and the strength of your parries.

No. Seriously, just... no. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in context of what Parry actually is.

My biggest problem with Parry/Block atm is that my Strength no longer affects them. :/

Exactly! But SE's reason for removing that effect from Strength was because the levels of Strength players will now be able to sink into gear, even as tanks, would make Parry strengths massive. Since the threshold was based on tiers of block %, parry and block would be seeing close to 50, 60% block strength. So instead of just tweaking the formulas a bit, they did the worst thing a game developer can do, they just out right removed it. I feel they could have at least moved it to another stat that would make more sense, like Parry. This secondary stat needed some serious loving anyways.

You know we have a 20 post limit and it's 24 hrs after that post.
I'm just here to see what daily thing he has to complain about.
Reminds me of my Gma. She complains so damn much!
I'm like STFU WOMAN lol yeesh.

Maybe I'm the only one who finds it rude to copy and past posts that come after yours. The limit isn't a big deal to me really. IDK.

[Ashkendor]

No. Seriously, just... no. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in context of what Parry actually is.

My biggest problem with Parry/Block atm is that my Strength no longer affects them. :/

[XgungraveX]

yes let add more dmg on top of war 6k fel cleaves lol

[Ceodore]

yes let add more dmg on top of war 6k fel cleaves lol

To be fair, one high damage skill on one class isn't a reason to NOT give tanks more damage, but Parry isn't the logical method. And Fell Cleave is a special case that needs to be considered when balanced against the tanking capabilities of the class. Take for instance the nerf to Defiance's healing bonus on emergency heals.

[Allyrion]

Why does it need damage?
It should just be better at what it's meant to do, mitigate.

Maybe higher returns and more consistency. I think it'd be better flipped.
Parry stat should give you more damage reduction from parrying, while parrying should have a set percent that's reasonably high.

It could also even just be that you always parry, and how much you parry depends on the stat.
That could be balanced.

Damage added it could be an option, but that shouldn't be the main reason to get it.
It should be attractive for its mitigation. And your survival should be in danger if you ignore it.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Perhaps it could be damage reflection instead.
100 Parry = 1%

So, 500 Parry would be 5% damage reflection, 5% damage is prevented and reflected back to the caster's target when it attacks him directly.
Or, 500 = 3%.

As a sort of riposte. Removing the RNG completely from it.

I also edited it for replies because I always seem to hit the "Post Limit" cap.

100 Parry = 0.5% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
200 Parry = 1% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
300 Parry = 1.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
400 Parry = 2.3% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
500 Parry = 2.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
600 Parry = 3.3% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
700 Parry = 3.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.

Parry renamed to Spiked Armor or Retaliation.

[Ceodore]

Perhaps it could be damage reflection instead.
100 Parry = 1%

So, 500 Parry would be 5% damage reflection, 5% damage is prevented and reflected back to the caster's target when it attacks him directly.
Or, 500 = 3%.

As a sort of riposte. Removing the RNG completely from it.

I also edited it for replies because I always seem to hit the "Post Limit" cap.

100 Parry = 0.5% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
200 Parry = 1% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
300 Parry = 1.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
400 Parry = 2.3% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
500 Parry = 2.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
600 Parry = 3.3% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.
700 Parry = 3.7% of damage received when facing your target is prevented and reflected.

Parry renamed to Spiked Armor or Retaliation.

Lol... so instead of parry reducing at least 20% of damage, you would rather it reduce WAY less and reflect the damage back? You MUST be kidding. Do you think about the things you're typing before you type them? What use is 3.7% damage reflection when you have to stack 700 parry? The stat is still useless.

Uhm.. 500 parry is about a 5-6% chance to parry. That is about 1% damage reduction with an RNG component. That is .. not very good.

Parry only 20% damage reduction, not 100%. So that 5-6% is like 1%. This is a LOT better.

Lol, where do you get these numbers? Out of you rear end? I'm at 388 parry, and I generally trigger parry at about a 10% rate on my Warrior.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Lol... so instead of parry reducing at least 20% of damage, you would rather it reduce WAY less and reflect the damage back? You MUST be kidding. Do you think about the things you're typing before you type them? What use is 3.7% damage reflection when you have to stack 700 parry? The stat is still useless.

0.8% to 1%ish Damage Reduction vs 2.5%-3% Damage Reflection. What is better?

[Ceodore]

0.8% to 1% Damage Reduction vs 2.5%-3% Damage Reflection. What is better?

Again, where are you getting your numbers? It's hilarious.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Bah, I got that from the wrong game. I play way too many games.

[Edit SoonTM]

Most Parry chances were around when other stats also gave parry. However I am sure it is around 0.0XX% per parry. Regardless it is very low, a worthless statistic honestly compared to what other stats give.

As a healer I dislike this as it incentivizes bad tanking by forgoing the use of Damage Reduction CD's that don't effect outgoing damage normally (ie: Foresight, Shadowskin, Shadow Wall) to reflect more damage onto the enemy to end the fight faster.

That is why I would change Shadow Wall to also be Retaliation, seeing as how it has a longer CD.