Machinist superior then bards?

[Galdous]

With the changes that came a few days ago to gauss and Wanderer Min it is putting bards in a more stationary position but Machinist are still able to keep most of its mobility via procs and rapid fire. Should bards get a slight change to prevent them from losing so much mobility vs machinist now? Along with our instant cast of our utility tp/mana regeneration abilities it also puts a larger disparity against the bard having to stop to sing the song losing even more dps.

[OPneedNerfs]

The only fix required is to allow bloodletters/oGCDs to be used during "cast" in WM.

[Ephier]

Just said in another post that BRD proc rate for straight shot should go up to 50% or so for mobility purposes, and maybe add a chance to proc straight shot with empyreal arrow.

[pandabearcat]

No chance of losing BL if you use it during the oGCD window. This is not a valid complaint.

[RiceisNice]

Just said in another post that BRD proc rate for straight shot should go up to 50% or so for mobility purposes, and maybe add a chance to proc straight shot with empyreal arrow.

You're still going to waste a straighter shot proc unless you either have an oGCD ready, or you delay your next weapon skill cast.

No chance of losing BL if you use it during the oGCD window. This is not a valid complaint.

It's lost when it refreshes twice during a cast, and then you're losing either cast time for your next weaponskill if it refreshes right after a BL or another oGCD (which you have plenty of mind you) if you try to double it up inbetween the GCDs.

That being said, MCH gameplay definitely flows better; they don't trip on cast times like BRD. They more or less play the same anyway since their overalll damage output is designed around using WM/GB when you can. Movement for either classes isn't that big of a deal since you can just turn it off anyway if it comes to it.

Bard has a more reliable burst regen in form of battle voice, MCH's eqvuilnant is hypercharge.... which is their dps cooldown. MCH can't hold onto hypercharge for emergencies without suffering dps loss.

[Ephier]

You're still going to waste a straighter shot proc unless you either have an oGCD ready, or you delay your next weapon skill cast.



It's lost when it refreshes twice during a cast, and then you're losing either cast time for your next weaponskill if it refreshes right after a BL or another oGCD (which you have plenty of mind you) if you try to double it up inbetween the GCDs.

How is it a waste? You get instant cast, 2s~ of mobility and the ability to double pop.

[RiceisNice]

How is it a waste? You get instant cast, 2s~ of mobility and the ability to double pop.

The buff for straighter shot doesn't appear until either 1) The animation for heavy shot finishes or 2) You cancel the animation on heavy shot with an oGCD. It wasn't as bad before because you had 2.5 GCD with instant cast. Now you have a 1.5 cast in that GCD, meaning your animation doesn't start until you're 1.5 seconds into the GCD. Same if you try to refresh straight shot's buff when it runs out and you gain the instant shot proc from your previous heavy shot. It's like firestarter, except you can also have problems with the latter since SS is part of your prioirty cycle outside of "use when proceed".

MCH doesn't even have this problem for split shot procs because their animation is pretty damn short that it works even with 1 GCD. It just screams terrible design, and it's one of the reasons why I can not get used to playing BLM; it's utterly infuriating to see firestarters/straightershot buffs scroll down my SCT in the middle of my heavyshot/fire I, and then see another one scroll down.

[pandabearcat]

You're still going to waste a straighter shot proc unless you either have an oGCD ready, or you delay your next weapon skill cast.



It's lost when it refreshes twice during a cast, and then you're losing either cast time for your next weaponskill if it refreshes right after a BL or another oGCD (which you have plenty of mind you) if you try to double it up inbetween the GCDs.

That being said, MCH gameplay definitely flows better; they don't trip on cast times like BRD. They more or less play the same anyway since their overalll damage output is designed around using WM/GB when you can. Movement for either classes isn't that big of a deal since you can just turn it off anyway if it comes to it.

Bard has a more reliable burst regen in form of battle voice, MCH's eqvuilnant is hypercharge.... which is their dps cooldown. MCH can't hold onto hypercharge for emergencies without suffering dps loss.

I didn't realize your cast times were >3 seconds.

[RiceisNice]

I didn't realize your cast times were >3 seconds.

It's 1.5 second cast on a 2.5 GCD, with the GCD starting when you begin a cast. That only leaves you with 1 second of of using oGCDs before your next weaponskill (which will be a cast unless you have a straighter shot proc) You can't use oGCDs during a cast. You can't immediately start a cast right after a oGCD due to animation locks, nor can you immediately do a oGCD right after an oGCD.

It doesn't weave well because you can't fit two oGCDs in the span of 1 second after a cast, not without it clipping into your next GCD by a split second to a second (which adds up in long fights).

[pandabearcat]

It's 1.5 second cast on a 2.5 GCD, with the GCD starting when you begin a cast. That only leaves you with 1 second of of using oGCDs before your next weaponskill (which will be a cast unless you have a straighter shot proc) You can't use oGCDs during a cast. You can't immediately start a cast right after a oGCD due to animation locks, nor can you immediately do a oGCD right after an oGCD.

It doesn't weave well because you can't fit two oGCDs in the span of 1 second after a cast, not without it clipping into your next GCD by a split second to a second (which adds up in long fights).

You don't need to weave 2 oGCDs into one, it is okay to delay your cds by 1 or two seconds if it means you get another bloodletter. It is impossible to miss a bloodletter no matter when it procs, even if it procs right as you use another ability, and you delay it till the next ogcd. This has not changed from day 1.