Bard and Wanderer's Minuet use it

[Aezelas]

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I didn't say it's okay to hurt players. I was answering to you thinking hurting people has no impact on SE, which is wrong.

Also, I fail to understand how trying to make SE change their mind is futile.
Many brds feel they killed a job we loved and we're enjoying it a lot less than during 2.0. If we can have our fun back, it's worth a shot.

Unsubbing would be a bit extreme. I like the game and don't want to stop playing. I do think the expansion is lackluster, but there are a lot of things I enjoy.
As for the lazy part, i was refering to job design, not the whole expac.

[Adire]

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SE won't even know about bards who choose to not use WM unless they cry on the forums or do it so much and so often that it provokes regular players to complain on the forums about the trend.

Some bards have been parsing decent numbers with some effort since the last patch. The fault is not on SE, the fault is on players who choose to be lazy (or the players who expect to do substantial dps without having more complexity in their job)

So you're wrong. It won't hurt SE. Players will simply notice the bards who have adapted and prefer them over bards who choose to ignore WM. Players won't be quitting just because a bunch of bards don't want to use WM. They will only be annoyed when they get one who doesn't in a group. That will not hurt SE.

Edit. Holy crap look who's being hypocritical! You literally told bards to go play without WM if they don't like it. Hahaha

Way to take a quote out of context.

Did you not see fanservice say mediocre damage?

Highly doubt they would have said that if they actually supported bards choosing to not use WM.

[Aezelas]

Some bards have been parsing decent numbers with some effort since the last patch. The fault is not on SE, the fault is on players who choose to be lazy (or the players who expect to do substantial dps without having more complexity in their job)

You're completely missing the whole point.
As a WM hater, I don't care about the numbers. I just can't stand the gameplay change.
Those who care about dps are those rangers that actually don't mind how WM works, except for the little damage it adds over time.

[Adire]

You're completely missing the whole point.
As a WM hater, I don't care about the numbers. I just can't stand the gameplay change.
Those who care about dps are those rangers that actually don't mind how WM works, except for the little damage it adds over time.

Turn it on for your big attacks/buffs, turn it off afterwards if you want to or need mobility? Stand still with it on like you should be doing already when mobility isn't needed maybe?

Just about every job has had some degree of change to its playstyle:

- Paladins now have more offensive capability than just turn on sword oath and spam the same old combo.

- Ninjas now have weaponskill positionals.

- Monks now have things to do during downtime.

- Dragoons now have RNG to deal with and party buffs.

- Scholars now have a powerful AoE heal.

- White Mages now have weaker stoneskin.

- Summoners now have Bahamut.

- Black mages now have a "base of operations" to stay in as much as possible.

While WM may arguably be the biggest change of these, think about it for a moment.

Bard has been largely agreed on by the community to be one of most simple jobs to play, and the most forgiving for mechanics. WM requires a little thinking to maximize its effectiveness. It's bard's ONE difficulty now. Knowing when and when not to use WM. And it's able to be turned off and on.

Casters do not get this option and melees are still melees, so you still are the most mechanics resistant job, and still are the most mobile. So your playstyle overall is not that changed. And last I had heard, WM was not meant to be on 24/7. It's firstly meant for burst damage during buff/skill uptime and secondly meant for times when mobility is not needed. The challenge is to know when it's best to have it on, or off.

In short: Stand still with it on for a little bit for big damage, run around with it off when you need to dodge. You get bonus damage for standing still when you don't have to move when before you did not. People need to stop overreacting.

So you can actively sabotage your DPS if you like, but you can't honestly expect to get off for free and output competitive dps and not have to adapt to something new.

I find it utterly hilarious to see people that don't even have Archer to 60 (or leveled at all for that matter) jumping on the bandwagon asking for a playstyle to be restored that NEVER existed. If you were (or still are) running around in a fight for no good reason, that's on you, but it was never a mechanic of Bard, EVER. People need to stop acting like it was, because that is just false. We did not lose a single iota of mobility.

This guy gets it. Don't know about you other people, but when I play bard, I only move when I have to move. I like the idea of having bonus damage now when not moving.