Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Korashy]

Nah, the thing that can't fit is actually Raiton. Unless your ping is on about 50.

If you go with 20~40s Huton wait time:

Suiton > SE(BFB) > GS(Kassatsu) > DE(IR) > SE(TA) > SF(Ninjutsu) > MU(Dream) > SE(Mug) > GS(Dual) > AE(Jug)

Jugulate will not reach the TA, but if your ping is reliable enough you can do Dual + Jug before AE, risking AE to get out of the TA window, but still higher chance of happening.
Whenever possible I use this opener.

That assumes you dont have to put up DE first though,

I usually go SE -> GS -> DE ->Suiton -> SE+TA -> SF+Mug, Mut+dream, SE+Jug, ->GS + Dual -> AE

Kass raiton bleeds to much for me, might need to do kass + shirken

[Griffeth]

Love the discussion of opener. Sitting here thinking of the opener in my head to make sure I get it solidified

[Allyrion]

I hope we get new stat weights out soon.

[Korashy]

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precasting makes sense, when you know exactly when your tank is going to pull, otherwise it's safer not to. The opener you mentioned is probably the most you can squeeze out, but it's on a really tight schedule that requires a lot of practice at keyboard acrobatics, gonna have to see if it works with my connection.

Thanks for the pointers

[Arkenne]

That assumes you dont have to put up DE first though

Im sorry but I'll have to ask you to elaborate a bit more on what you mean with this line. Since on the opener I presented I am handling DE myself, just like in you are on your case, altho yours doesn't include a Kassatsu action (not that it matters tho, since Kassatsu also works as an insurance).

[Korashy]

Thanks for the crit formula, btw I've been looking for that for a while.

[LordTiberiusRex]

I hope we get new stat weights out soon.

Heh. I hope we do too. For convenience sake, I'll be putting back in the 2.55 stat weights as a placeholder in the next big update (which I'm hoping for by tomorrow?). You won't see the updates right now, but I'm doing them backend live through the Google Doc version right now. It's quite lovely what you're able to do there.

[AlwaysRIGHT]

Raiton vs fuma.... My ping is 55, so my cast would be .555 .555 .555 .555 totaling 2.22 cutting about .2 into my gcd or 1/10 of a gcd. Say an average gcd is 250 potency and 1/10 of that is 25 potency for me to cast fuma would be a reduction in dmg.

100 ping about 50 potency difference
150 ping 75 potency diffence
200 ping 100 potency difference
220 ping 2.88 second cast .83 more than my current gcd less than half a gcd which arbitrarily i valued at 250 so .415 or you lose 103.75 potency

UNLESS YOU PING IS HIGHER THAN 220 USE RAITON PLEASE.

Edit: I didnt think about one thing the time it takes you to que up the next ability afterward.

So it would be .555x4 + queing next ability of .055 or 2.275 for me at 55 ping or .27 into a gcd or .135 of the gcd potency or 33.75 potency lost due to ping for 55 ping

you can use this formula for any ping
One other thing to thing about is raiton potency vs a gcd potency isn't and 1=1 thing I'm not sure what the weight of that is

[Phireblast]

What's a good time to pop Armor Crush? I try to reapply it when the buff has less than 10 seconds left.

Edit: Bonus question: How do Ninjas on a controller handle the ability bloat? It's not possible to fit everything on all 32 slots(R2+L2, L2+R2, regular cross bars) without either dropping some skills which is what i'm doing(dropped wasp poison, hide, and two pot slots) or resorting to manually switching hotbars

[Viridiana]

What's a good time to pop Armor Crush? I try to reapply it when the buff has less than 10 seconds left.

Any time your counter is at 40 or lower, you can AC. I don't recommend letting it get down to 10 unless you're confident there's nothing coming up that's going to screw up your combo.

On a different note, I've been thinking about Duality, and when it might be acceptable to use it on something other than Aeolian Edge. Obviously, the increase in potency is Attack_potency/Seconds_waited. In a vacuum, that gives the values of 320/90, 280/90, and 260/90 for AE, AC, and DE, respectively. The question is, at what time T does 320/T drop down to 280/90 or 260/90? This will tell us when it becomes best to use Duality on the next finisher even if that finisher must be AC or DE due to timers. The formula starts as:

320/T=280/90

And re-arranges to:

T=320*90/280
T=102.86

Of course, the first 90 of that 102.86 is mandatory wait time, so if we subtract that out to find our "delay time," so to speak:

102.86-90=12.86

Or just over 6 GCDs. If you have uninterrupted time on boss, that should be just long enough to AC->SE->SF->MU->SE->GS->AE, since you wouldn't count the AE GCD against it (if absolutely everything is falling off at once). But, if that AE needs to be a DE to maintain the debuff, you're better off using Duality on the AC. And you can't AC->DE->AE without dropping SF/MU, so that's something you should only consider if the boss is about to go invulnerable or die. In those two cases, you might get more DPS out of AC->DE->AE, if all dots are already up and you're sure the boss is about to go invuln/die pretty much right after your AE. I'd have to math that out, and it's a bit beyond the current scope, so to speak.

For DE, we have this:

T=320*90/260
T=110.77
110.77-90=20.77, or just over 10 GCDs, and

T=280*90/260
T=96.92
96.92-90=6.92, or just over 3 GCDs.

If something weird has happened and you must go straight from DE to AC, save it for AC. If you have enough time on Huton for your next 1-2-3 combo after DE to be AE instead of AC, save it for AE, even if you're going to SF and MU in between. In any other situation you can use it on DE.

Now for that wonderful peer review process where I find out my math is flawed. >_>