Machinist superior then bards?

[Aiselia]

dots only tick ones per 3 seconds

Bards have two DoTs.

if both ticks crit and reset BL then you actually technically lose 1 BL proc

Not prior to Heavensward if you use the first BL before the second proc.

But what do I know, I only mained Bard and did it frequently.

And apparently so did Rice.

BTW, did you ever answer me as to what skill's cooldown on a MCH randomly resets from your DoT? I didn't forget about your claim that procs are exactly the same. Don't think you're going to get away from that. The longer you wait, the more obvious it is you don't have an answer.

[Viar]

DoTs

Every player maining BRD already told you about getting double procs within 1.5 cast. But no, your deduction, ofc, has more weight than evidence from career bards.

Crit is bad BS

Not, if you're not in minuet.

first off titan ex isnt a reaction fight, lmao

It is, with lag. Otherwise, it's a boring fight with no real twist to it.

second as i said, i've played on a bard with WM. I can go HS > SSproc no problem. I think you might be ..whats the word it.. bad? I'm not resorting to insulting peoples skill anymore but like.. i can get them no problem. if you're mashing heavy shot though you'll have the next one q'd (which you can't cancel) so ofc you'll miss the proc.

I think that you're making an ass out of yourself. You have any idea what queuing abilities is? You know that SS proc appears on the hotbar much later than you can actually use SS or even see proc appear on the screen? Don't judge or be judged? I don't know why I'm wasting my time on you, if you obviously don't have enough experience or judgement to judge my skills, but still do.

[pandabearcat]

It's 1.5 second cast on a 2.5 GCD, with the GCD starting when you begin a cast. That only leaves you with 1 second of of using oGCDs before your next weaponskill (which will be a cast unless you have a straighter shot proc) You can't use oGCDs during a cast. You can't immediately start a cast right after a oGCD due to animation locks, nor can you immediately do a oGCD right after an oGCD.

It doesn't weave well because you can't fit two oGCDs in the span of 1 second after a cast, not without it clipping into your next GCD by a split second to a second (which adds up in long fights).

You don't need to weave 2 oGCDs into one, it is okay to delay your cds by 1 or two seconds if it means you get another bloodletter. It is impossible to miss a bloodletter no matter when it procs, even if it procs right as you use another ability, and you delay it till the next ogcd. This has not changed from day 1.

[Waliel]

first off titan ex isnt a reaction fight, lmao

It totally is. I never bothered to learn either hard or ex rotations and were able to do them just fine.

[pandabearcat]

it doesn't matter if you get a double proc (which certainly can happen, of course).

You can simply use the second proc in the next GCD...your dots won't tick again until after that point. You NEVER have to use BL as soon as it comes up, but you do need to use it within 1 GCD of it coming up.

[Odowla]

bards have 2 dots. that tick at exactly. the. same. time.

put your dots on a dummy. watch when the numbers show up.
watch when the dummie's hp moves. you will see they /exactly/ line up. every 3 seconds.


I dont know why you think because I dont main bard that I dont k ow how fucking basic game mechanics work, its not a hard concept. the phenomena you are mentioning has happened to me too. But it was the same situation i said - the dot tick lined up at the same time as a gcd, so it looked like i got 2 in 1 gcd. unfortunately, 3.0 > 2.5, so it didnt ACTUALLY happen, but it looked like it.
#bardmechanicsarehard

another and (admittedly, more common way it will happen) is when you dont proc for 15 seconds but proc again the second you use it. that way your BL cd rots, essentially, you use it, then a dot crit ticks right after you hit it, giving a proc in thr same gcd. thay happens, sure, but i mean its not that big of a problem

also, ticking twice in 1.5 second cast time. what? 3.0 is literally twice as long a period of time as 1.5seconds. it's not possible to proc twice in 1.5 seconds when the max is 1 proc per 3 second.

also, when i said MCH procs work exactly the same as bard, i was talking about thr straight shot procs because those do wprk exactly the same. you DO have time to hit it. you just cant be mashing heavy shot/split shot or the next splitshot/hs will queue and ofc you'll get thr blm problem.

[RiceisNice]

You don't need to weave 2 oGCDs into one, it is okay to delay your cds by 1 or two seconds if it means you get another bloodletter. It is impossible to miss a bloodletter no matter when it procs, even if it procs right as you use another ability, and you delay it till the next ogcd. This has not changed from day 1.

That's the thing, it's what made BRD fun for me. The entire thing goes against the inherent design that it's pretty damn annoying they didn't see it coming or to change to accommodate. And every other time, it's still very possible to miss out on a reset that occurs within 1 second of each other because you're in the middle of the cast. That's the thing that bothers me about having cast times on BRD, it just screams bad design in regards to how the class played previously.

And while it's not as bad on single boss fights, there are other fights that have multiple adds (like A1 or bismarck) or just dungeon play in general.

[Odowla]

https://youtu.be/39F-jfyCuOY

shit quality right now, but basically what I'm talking about is the split shot spam. if you spam it, the next one will queue and you'll miss procs.

but you can see here if I don't spam the button, i can activate my procs without doing a cast. Its potentially even easier if you use an ogcd (similar to BLM fireweaving, except.. not shitty) to force the proc to show up earlier, but yeah. this is what i was talking about.

[Aiselia]

It is impossible to miss a bloodletter

Unless of course it procs again before you use it. Kind of like how you miss a Firestarter on a BLM if one Fire 1 procs it, then you cast Fire 1 again and the second one procs it.

I dont main bard

Well, let's see. Should anyone take the word of someone who doesn't main Bard, or the multiple Bards who have said that it doesn't work how you think it does?

Oh, by the way, I got several of these when I was running my main scenario roulette last night as a Bard. And could actually use them because no cast times!

So you're still wrong.

i was talking about thr straight shot procs

So you're saying that because one proc may work somewhat similar but everything else is entirely different, the two classes' procs work exactly the same?

[RiceisNice]

Unless of course it procs again before you use it. Kind of like how you miss a Firestarter on a BLM if one Fire 1 procs it, then you cast Fire 1 again and the second one procs it.

Assuming single targets, it shouldn't be wasted if you use it as soon as it comes off because dots only tick every three seconds. The thing is that you have two ticks that are ticking within a second each other of every three seconds. I think that's where he was getting at. Of course if the two ticks proc during midcast, that's all out of the window.